Dickinson's Real Deals

Discussion in 'Books, Films, TV, Radio' started by Drew5233, Feb 10, 2009.

  1. Mathsmal

    Mathsmal Senior Member

    I spoke to a chap from the MOD at the 'Who Do You Think You Are' show in London last year and he said they get about 20 requests a week for medals - either stolen ones, or ones never claimed - some by families of now deceased servicemen and women.
     
  2. Passchendaele_Baby

    Passchendaele_Baby Grandads Little Girl

    I think it's quite sad she lost her familys history because she needed money - but what can ya do...
     
  3. cmomm

    cmomm WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    The 'end' was foretold centuries ago in a book we call the Bible----be of good cheer, God is in control over the lives of men----Normandy vet
     
  4. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    I find I have a morbid interest in watching the Real Deal program, particularly when the medals are being sold by a member of the family concerned.

    The usual format is for the dealer to ask "why are you selling these family heirlooms" which usually include a late Granddad's set from the Great War and a late husband's set from WW2.

    Only this week I heard one dear lady respond "Well, they were only laying around in a drawer and nobody was using them"

    Dear Lord.....Give me strength !......... Who on earth could be "using" them ???????

    Bemused from Cockfosters :(

    Ron
     
  5. Rob Dickers

    Rob Dickers 10th MEDIUM REGT RA

    :confused:
    Ron
    Say's it all realy dos'nt it, you just can't belive what these people are doing, and the money probably won't even pay a gas bill.
    Rob
     
  6. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I find I have a morbid interest in watching the Real Deal program, particularly when the medals are being sold by a member of the family concerned.

    The usual format is for the dealer to ask "why are you selling these family heirlooms" which usually include a late Granddad's set from the Great War and a late husband's set from WW2.

    Only this week I heard one dear lady respond "Well, they were only laying around in a drawer and nobody was using them"

    Dear Lord.....Give me strength !......... Who on earth could be "using" them ???????

    Bemused from Cockfosters :(

    Ron

    Ron,

    I saw that too..I rewinded it and spent 15 minutes trying to take a picture of them and realised it was repeat and I had already posted the medals on here.

    If your hard up for cash I can sympathise as medals don't put food on the table but just because they are gathering dust or they want some spending money for Vegas (No shit - that was a reason) I do find it a shame indeed.

    A similiar circumstance springs to mind with one of my George Cross chaps I researched..The wife split the medals and gave them to her sons and the oldest who got the GC flogged it.

    Thankfully they are now where they should be....In The Royal Corps of Signals Museum in Dorset.
     
  7. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    It looks as though every edition of "Dickinson's Real Deal" has to have at least one set of medals being sold by close family who offer as an excuse for selling "They are just laying around in a drawer !"

    What did shock me even more is something I came across this morning whilst GOOGLING for info on my late CO's period as a POW after being captured in Greece in 1941.

    It is probably simplest to paste in the relevant info, the first para relates to an auction of Richard Schweder's collection of medals
    The second part of the Richard Schweder collection of medals for campaigns in Malaysia grossed £28,050 (£32,258), bringing the final total for the collection to £79,165 (£91,040). This got off to a rousing start with the £1,000 (£1,150) opening bid for the single-clasp General Service medal 1918-62 to Major George Kennard, 4th Hussars, who was subsequently promoted to command the regiment between 1955 and 1958.


    The second para is a quote from Burkes Peerage:
    SIR GEORGE ARNOLD FORD KENNARD, 3RD BT , of Fernhill, Co Southampton; born 27 April 1915; succeeded bro 1967; educated Eton; commnd 4th Hus 1936, served WW II (POW 1939–41, despatches twice), Lt-Col cmdg 4th QO Hus 1955–58, ...


    The images below show the frontispiece of his Auto Biography, note his decorations in a frame on the wall behind him and his obituary in The Times.

    My query is how is it that one of his medals was originally sold to become part of the Richard Schweder collection ?
     

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  8. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    This may sound like heresy on here but I've never 'got' the thing with medals.
    Admittedly I've got my Great-uncle's still in the registered envelope from the 1920s but he never saw them or held them.
    He was killed in 1918, I find his last postcard home the more valuable to me.
    My Nan's cousin gave me his WW1 medals cos he didn't want them.
    They've been in a box of my bits ever since.
    I did wonder about putting them on his coffin when we went to his funeral but thought that a bit dramatic & someone would probably nick them anyway.

    The SLI Veteran I saw last week never bothered to claim his until a few years ago when another Veteran pestered him into it.

    I also read of another Veteran who was so disgusted with the war that he threw them in the local pond.
     
  9. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Owen

    I was interested to read your input on "the medal thing".

    This may sound like heresy on here but I've never 'got' the thing with medals


    I was also amused/impressed to see that your actual posting was your 12,001st entry.
    You have been a busy young man :)

    I have reasonably clear cut views on what I consider is the value (not in any monetary sense) of medals.

    The only time I wear my own set is on the annual AJEX parade that takes place the first Sunday after the British Legion Cenotaph parade.

    I find it "helpful" when meeting up with fellow marchers to be able to see at a glance in which areas they served and also to recognise the gongs they earned for valour , as opposed to those, like mine, that came up with the rations.

    My dear late brother Sgt.Major Mick Goldstein, who always attended the AJEX ceremony passed away a few years ago on the day before the parade.

    My sister-in-law, who knew the bond between us, understood completely when I said that I intended to be on parade and gave me his medals to wear . The rather poor photo shown below shows me wearing his medals, by custom, on my right breast.

    I also show Mick & I on parade back in 1992
     

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  10. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    My late father only claimed his medals late in life after a friend told him he should, then he can pass them on.

    He never told me until they arrived and he gave them to me still in the box. He had a little longer to wait for the Greek Government to send him their medal and scroll, but he duly gave them to me when they arrived.

    I have had them framed with his cap badge, 4th Div Badge and a photo from Greece.

    My father was very pleased at the result.

    Regards
    Tom
     

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  11. colinhotham

    colinhotham Senior Member

    Ron they may have 'come up with the rations' but they were earned!!

    I find I am completely non-plussed by this debate over medals and feel that for whatever reason given, it is understandable that various decisions are made by families over their disposal. I'm afraid that is the way things go in this modern uncaring world!!

    Colin.
     
  12. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    For some time now it has been the custom in our household to eat a main meal midday and to relax afterwards with a few hours daytime TV.

    Dickinson's Real Deal usually meets this bill and if the subject matter gets a bit boring then one can always get a bit of shut-eye without it being too painfully obvious.

    Halfway into today's program something woke me up with a jerk.

    There was this middle aged woman selling her grand-fathers medals and memorabilia and the short story is that she took the items to auction where they realised £340.

    What was different about this "lot" was the wide variety of its contents.

    Her granddad had been one of Monty's drivers and there was a photo showing Monty in the back seat of an open staff car with grandad in the driving seat. There were his identity disks, here was his AB64 Part I (and possibly Part II) and in addition there were many wartime maps, documents and, if my memory serves me well, personal letters he had sent home.

    I have no way of knowing whether she needed the cash for whatever purpose but I was sad at heart to see this man's history being sold to a stranger for a relative pittance.

    Is it just me who feels this way?

    Ron
     
  13. James Daly

    James Daly Senior Member

    My Grandad - Arnhem veteran - gave his medals away soon after he got them, havent got a clue where they are. On the one hand it would be nice to know, but on the other hand I'm kinda glad cos theres a few rifts in our family as it is and they would just aggravate things. He wasnt worried about them, so who am I to argue? I'm only the son of the youngest daughter anyway so I would have been quite a way down the food chain. I did check what the going rate would be for an Arnhem set of campaign medals with the appropriate background documents etc, and I've actually held off from telling people what they would be worth so as not to cause any hassle.

    My other Grandad has his Dad's WW1 medals and his brothers WW2 medals. Not sure whats happening with those, my dads one of his executors and I've briefed him that I would like to take care of them, but if theres any squabbling then they're going to the appropriate Museum where anyone can see them.

    The most interesting thing he has is a hallmarked silver and crystal decanter set presented to my Great-Grandparents on their wedding in 1916, from the crew of HM Submarine L52.
     
  14. Pete Keane

    Pete Keane Senior Member

    I think the people selling the medals are missing the point, the medals are theirs only in trust, to be passed down the generations.

    The sellers in these cases may not have seen the point of keeping them, but their futre children / grandchildren might.

    My grandfather earned the 39-43 Star in the Orkneys with his Regiment guarding airfields (he says he earnt it fighting the Navy!!). He was posted to Burma late 44, and was wounded in May 45, after two bouts of malaria in India, so he didnt achieve the Burma Star.

    He hated the army (was constantly awol, hence being posted to Orkneys), hated officers, hated the japanese, and after the war did not claim his one medal. He reckoned the only lads that deserved them were left behind in Burma.

    I would love to claim his medal and have it displayed, but he didnt want it, so I never will. If I had it though, no one could offer me enough for it.

    On the other side of the argument for not selling.....if someone on this forum purchased a medal or collection, they would cherish it not only as an item, but also for what it represents, so the memory is kept alive, and if there werent medals to buy, there'd be no collectors!

    Regards

    Pete
     
  15. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Ron,

    £350 is a pittance for such items of history that is for sure....I sometimes wonder what will happen to my 3 when I go upstairs. I still have all my maps from Iraq and Kuwait (I shouldn't have em mind) too, every location of my Troop Rebro's, Step up and Main Squadrons, and the Battlegroup locations from 7th Armoured Brigade all dated and written in pencil as the war progressed.

    Hopefully they'll pay for a holiday when I'm old and poor :)

    Cheers
    Andy
     
  16. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Just had a lass on this show trying to sell some WW1 medals to a dealer. He offered her £200 and she refused deciding to go to auction.

    The Medals belong to a Sergeant James Kelly from Westport, Co. Mayo, Ireland serving with the Northamptonshire Regiment. He was killed in 1916 and I've found him here:

    CWGC :: Certificate :poppy:

    However before the auction started the young girl selling the medals discovered that there was a 'Peace Park' being built where James Kelly was from so she donated the medals to the local Mayor who is having them put on display in the local museum.

    Good on you !
     
  17. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    Ron , I may have simparted this expereince before ....
    Last year I was at a collectors fair and asked a dealer about a Logbook and medals he had for sale .
    With a wave of the hand he told me what he had for sale what he wanted for it and the fact that there were a few photographs with it , these he gestured to with what amounted to total indifference as if he couldn't be bothered if the photos mattered at all .
    TI thanked him and walked away slightly disgusted , not everyone who deals in items like this seem to care about the lives they represented - this was the feeling which made me walk away - a sense of sadness that anyone's life could be so reduced.

    On the plus side another dealer who knew my father spent time talking to my nephew telling him how sad it was for him to see the 2stars" awarded in WW2 being so devalued - not that he wanted to make money from them , it was just sad to see the service of a generation being so taken for granted, for behind every set of medals was a man or a woman .
     
  18. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    James

    To digress slightly, it is not just the way that medals are regarded as marketable memorabilia that makes me a little sad, it is the thought of what will happen to the vast amount of ephemera that is stll "saveable" for historians of the future.

    I have an old friend, old in every sense of the word because we served together in WW2, and we try to meet up on a weekly basis.

    Inevitably talk gets around to "do you remember" and sometimes documents and diaries are produced to confirm a point or a date.

    We now have a standing joke.

    In the past I used to say "if you ever decide to quit this mortal coil your relatives will have a big skip out front and all this will be dumped"

    Now, everytime he produces something for me to see I just say "Skip ?" and we both laugh :)
     
  19. Kieron Hill

    Kieron Hill Senior Member

    I have to say I am torn on this one
    as I have purchased and been given
    peoples medals and associated
    paperwork, but as stated in a previous
    post I do not see myself as the owner
    more of a trustee and when the time
    comes they will all be passed down the
    family as long as there is an interest and if not
    I am sure a museum will be more than
    interested. I am happy in the thought
    that I have kept these collections
    together instead of seeing them split
    up on certain auctions sites. When
    people contact me to use photo from
    my site and offer payment I refuse and
    ask them to a donation to Help the Heroes
    via a link on my site.
     
  20. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    This afternoon I joined my wife in the lounge to see another edition of Dickinson's Real Deal.

    Inevitably some WW1 medals came up for consideration and these were being sold by a father & son pair, the son proudly announcing that it was his grandfather's medals.

    Before taking the medals to auction one of the resident dealers had offered them a sum of money, I think it was less than £100 but the pair turned the offer down because, as as the son rather quaintly put it "As it's nostalgia I think it's worth a bit more !!!!!!!"

    They pair decided to take the medals to auction and I must confess I got some satisfaction when the medals failed to reach the reserve they had placed on the items.
     

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