Dickinson's Real Deals

Discussion in 'Books, Films, TV, Radio' started by Drew5233, Feb 10, 2009.

  1. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Thats a nice gesture Rob. I've not done that with anything, infact ...The only thing I've framed was this and I gave it to my old mess :)
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    Cost me a bloody fortune but they weren't arsed lol
     
  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I've never been interested in Medals .
    I've got my Great-Uncles in the original Registered Envelope & my Nan's cousins but I never gone out to collect anymore.
    I can't get excited about them.
     
  3. ramacal

    ramacal 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA Patron

    Thats a nice gesture Rob. I've not done that with anything, infact ...The only thing I've framed was this and I gave it to my old mess :)


    You have a very short memory, old thang!!

    What about the effort you put into looking for relatives of Bombadier H Parnell in regard to the medal found in the veggie plot. I know you did not frame the medal, but you achieved a great outcome by tracing the ancestors. Other Forum members enjoyed the thread, his ancestors were thrilled, resulting in them making a financial donation to a charity.:mfr_closed2:
     
  4. mariew

    mariew Junior Member

    I saw the programme and thought the same, she just shrugged her shoulders and said the are just kept in a draw, if they were my they would be treasured.
     
  5. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    I must say I find this rather sad £200 for what was on the table is very cheap in terms of money and the expert is bound to have known this.

    Sadness is my overwhelming feeling - when at first glance you see the medals you automatically think who , when and where in respect of the men behind them.

    I have two "Death pennies" above my fire place however did they get on to eBay - not sold by the family from which they came but now "lost to them".
    You have to ask "at the going down of the sun and in the morning who does remember them" ?

    Perhaps an unfair question to ask but if I see a set of medals for sale or a Death Penny this is what comes to my mind.
    (Harold Broadbent * and James Robert Parkinson**).
    *He could be one of 24 listed.
    **
    NoSurnameRankService NumberDate Of DeathAgeRegiment/ServiceNationalityGrave/Memorial Ref.Cemetery/Memorial Name1 PARKINSON, JAMES ROBERT Private1190116/10/1916 27Manchester RegimentUnited KingdomPier and Face 13 A and 14 C.THIEPVAL MEMORIAL2 PARKINSON, J R Private2252812/10/1917 23King's Own Scottish BorderersUnited KingdomXII. F. 16.DOZINGHEM MILITARY CEMETERY


    Most likely the first mentioned.
     

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  6. Niccar

    Niccar WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    As a friend to Tom Canning and anyone else on this forum (until they did me some harm) I would just add that medals never meant anything to me so I never bothered to claim them mainly because every body that was around during the war were all in the front line as far as I was concerned the blitz, mothers sick to death worrying about their sons in the services, even children evacuated to places they had never heard of, people making weapons working many hours, every one deserved some sort of recognition and we all got it by being on the winning side that was good enough for me

    regards niccar
     
  7. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I think that's not that uncommon a point of view Niccar, we seem to get a fair few references to people never claiming medals.

    Wonder if there's any statistics out there on who never bothered, or actively didn't want to?
     
  8. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Whats going on......Another set being sold on the programme ! :mad:
     
  9. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    They refused the dealers offer and went to auction with a resevre of £130. They only got upto £110 so no deal.
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    Cheers
    Andy
     
  10. Verrieres

    Verrieres no longer a member

    They refused the dealers offer and went to auction with a resevre of £130. They only got upto £110 so no deal.


    Cheers
    Andy


    Somebody missed out on a fantastic deal there they would get five times that on E-Bay!!!

    Regards

    Verrieres
     
  11. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    They just had another one on here.

    An old lady selling her husbands, uncles (two uncles) medals from WW1 and WW2 including a death medal, Normandy and El Alamein (comemorative?) medals and a one of the King George silver wound medals/badges.

    The WW1 chap is called Gordon Allan Moon but not listing on CWGC.

    She got £150 for the lot at auction after being offered £120 by the dealer - after the seller took his cut she took home £125 !

    £30 going to each of the grandchildren - I would have given them £30 each to keep them !
     
  12. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    I always feel sad when I see medals for sale and am a little bit annoyed by the attitude of some sellers, traders, dealers, collectors who are selling.
    Recently at a local show I looked at a logbook and some medals - the logbook held no operational flights , the medals in good order.

    The dealer quickly told me that logbooks were very rare and not often for sale , the medals , ( he shruged his shoulders) and from an envelope he spilled out a few photos and said of handedly , and these are of the man "who owned them".
    Left me a little lost for words but I was saddened to see a mans life and wartime service reduced to this , he deserved better.
    The man was dead gone , heavens knows how these came to be on sale or what hands they had passed through.

    Monetery value they do have some yes but they are part of a mans life , am I being too sensitive ?

    The balance of this is a talk my nephwe had with a local dealer called Gordon Turnbull , many local ( N.Irel;and) people will know him, he goes to most collectors fairs and he is well known.
    My nephew was tormenting Gordon for a deal and with only a few quid to spend Gordon was willing to sell at cost price to the lad.
    ( He knew my father well).

    In the course of conversation with Jason and another gent , Gordon did comment that it was sad to sell and see going for comparatively little money WW2 service medals , simply because of what they were and on account of men of that generation that he knows and knew.
    From his poont of view it was not low price to him the dealer but like myself a sense of some respect for the men who earned and wore them.

    Behind every set of medals there is a man and a life , sadly the knowledge of the man is lost to me it is as if the man has suddently become "unknown".
     
  13. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    James I know where your coming from and thought to myself £30 for 4 years of one mans life and six years for another isn't very much at all.

    I dread to think what will happen to mine when I die. My three medals for 18 months overseas, going on the rate above will be worth a tennor if the seller is lucky !

    I think I'll donate them to the Signals Museum to do with them as they see fit.

    Cheers
     
  14. Rob Dickers

    Rob Dickers 10th MEDIUM REGT RA

    It realy realy is beond me how someone could do such a thing, the women should have counted herself extremely lucky to have them. It seems to me you can't put money on family history and heritage, but perhaps I'am just being sentimental about the whole thing, it just saddens me badly.
    As a child I remember playing with my granfathers medals fron the Boar War + Great War, particularly the Relief of Maferking one in the set, alas now gone the same as my dads from WW2. I would give my right arm to find them again, have been looking for years.
    Still shaking my head.
    Rob D
     
  15. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Unfortuantely sometimes people have to sell there worldly goods to get by.

    Whilst I think its a shame, peoples circumstances sometimes dictate their actions to survive. Recent reasearch into the WW2 VC thread I posted showed me that with some were selling their VC's to put food on the table for their family.

    I'd hate to have to sell my medals, infact I think I'd rather go homeless and use them to help with begging god forbid I was ever in that situation.
     
  16. Rob Dickers

    Rob Dickers 10th MEDIUM REGT RA

    Drew
    I know mate we've all got to live in the real world and some are not as lucky (thank God) as you and me, but I still can't belive it.
    Cheers Rob D
     
  17. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    Andy
    I think I'll donate them to the Signals Museum to do with them as they see fit.

    You could do worse Andy, hope that you will be passing them on to someone who cares for them and the man who earned them.

    I will probably pass on what I have , that which belonged to my father and his brothers to the girl opposite , I know they will be in good hands.
    ( The drawings Soren did will probably go to the same lassie).
     
  18. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    If I live to a ripe old age there will be no one to leave mine too :)
     
  19. Mathsmal

    Mathsmal Senior Member

    My mother has my gandfather's medals, with the exception of his Burma star with a pacific bar - no idea where it is. The medals mean something to us, but as none are named, then as soon as they are taken out of the context of family history, they become unidentifable (not that they are going to be!). I have been considering obtaining a replacement medal, but I don't really want to buy a second hand one - it feels 'wrong'. But on the other hand, is it ok to just leave an unwanted medal gathering dust on a shop shelf? I am not sure...

    Regarding unclaimed medals - I interviewed a chap who was in the 8th Army. I commented on how new his medals looked (they were on the wall). He said they should be - he'd only received them a few months ago. He only requested them after his grandchildren kept on pestering him about where his medals were.
     
  20. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Are there any statistics on unclaimed medals out there?
    Seems a not entirely uncommon story; chaps not wanting anything to do with 'em after war's end.
     

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