Decode this letter cover please.

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  1. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer Pearl Harbor Myth Buster

    Relative wants this decoded. Any help appreciated.
     

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  2. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    The Service Number is not readily id'd online, including on the CWGC database.

    The next line with DBDQY is a draft code denoting movement only and in wide use. It is no trace here. See Post 2 in: Acronyms in WW2 Service Records

    BAPO is the WW2 abbreviation for Base Army Post Office (now BFPO). BAPO 1 was at Cherbourg in WW2, from early on and a sentence is on pg.6, the next is the Google text:
    Link: https://www.britishthematic.org.uk/kcfinder/upload/files/Etherington Frame 1-compressed.pdf

    MV Cheshire appears from this to be a Bibby Line cruise ship: BBC - WW2 People's War - MV Cheshire Cruise and a passage on her: CHESHIRE (1927)~Bibby Line - AMC - HMS CHESHIRE - Troopship | #486968948

    She was afloat in use as a transport in December 1944: Passengers Ships ww2
     
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  3. gmyles

    gmyles Senior Member

    Hi

    Best guess is he was part of a mass mobilisation with a draft ID of DBDQY sailing on board MV Cheshire.

    As far as I am led to believe Draft IDs were entirely random and didn't actually stand for anything

    BAPO stands for Base Army Post Office. Probably the office which handled mail to and from this draft.

    Hope this helps

    Gus
     
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  4. Elwat

    Elwat New Member

    Thank you so much for your help everyone. :)
     
  5. Quarterfinal

    Quarterfinal Well-Known Member

    Any idea of date? His eight digit Army Number looks later than WW2, but an expert will confirm/deny. I had wondered if Hong Kong (formerly BFPO 1) could be involved? Ships Nostalgia have some associated submissions on the MV Cheshire (Bibby Line), including some suggesting use for trooping Service families in mid-50s.
     
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  6. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    22885485

    Army Number Block Allocations
    22460787 to 22562759 Until July 1951
    22562760 to 23052500 Until June 1955



    HMS Cheshire - Wikipedia
    "Cheshire was used as a repatriation ship at war's end in 1945, and was returned to her owner in 1948. She was broken up at Newport in July 1957."


    It's possible that the number has been written down incorrectly


    The usual allocations in use during WW2 for Royal Artillery
    (Field, Coastal & Anti-Aircraft) 721001 - 1842000
    and 11000001 - 11500000
    but Army Number is dependent on original unit at time of enlistment.
     
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  7. Richard Lewis

    Richard Lewis Member

    According to this site British Army Service Numbers: Explained 22885485 was issued between July 1951 and June 1955, although the dates do not appear to be entirely accurate.

    p.s. Too slow!
     
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  8. Elwat

    Elwat New Member

    Apologies, I thought it was to do with WW2. Thank you all for your time. I think it may be my great-great uncle who was doing national service. However, I’m still confused why Google brings up D-day when searching for DBDQY.
     
  9. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    What difference would one or two numbers in 22885485 being removed from the service number? Notably the 2 & 8 both appear twice.

    So removing one 2 would put this number into 2,865,001 to 2,921,000, which was assigned to the Gordon Highlanders etc.

    Did any Gordon Highlander unit upon mobilization become an artillery formation?

    National Service started in 1947 (though some sites say 1949).

    Conscription is different:
    From: Conscription in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
     
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  10. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    There were at least two Gordon Highlander battalions that converted to an artillery role:

    1) 100 (The Gordon Highlanders) Anti-Tank Regiment RA (TA) was formed in November 1941 from 8th Battalion The Gordon Highlanders. From: 100 (The Gordon Highlanders) Anti-Tank Regiment RA (TA) - The Royal Artillery 1939-45
    and later converted: 100 (Gordon Highlanders) Light Anti-Aircraft/Anti-Tank Regiment RA (TA) - The Royal Artillery 1939-45

    2) The 4th (City of Aberdeen) Battalion was converted to an artillery regiment on 1 November 1941, becoming the 92nd Anti-Tank Regiment, Royal Artillery... From: History

    I could not readily see anything after 1940 for BAPO 1, though Google searches depend on stamp collectors.

    BAPO 1 was in France in WW1 too. See: History of the British Army postal service - Wikipedia

    This is one puzzle I can leave alone.
     
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    Uncle Target Mist over Dartmoor

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