CWGC - Unit - 'Alias'

Discussion in 'War Cemeteries & War Memorial Research' started by von Poop, Sep 24, 2009.

  1. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Noodling about on the Engine looking for hints on Blacksnake's Mersey tug.
    23/12/1944 came up with this chap:

    Name: BENNETT
    Initials: J A
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Private
    Regiment/Service: ALIAS
    Date of Death: 23/12/1944
    Service No: A/42478
    Additional information: See Philip BENEDETTI, true family name.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Cemetery: RAVENNA WAR CEMETERY

    Never seen that 'alias' for the unit.
    Looking at his 'real' info, he's a Canadian apparently:

    Name: BENEDETTI, PHILIP
    Initials: P
    Nationality: Canadian
    Rank: Private
    Regiment/Service: Royal Canadian Regiment
    Age: 26
    Date of Death: 23/12/1944
    Service No: A/42478
    Additional information: (served as BENNETT, Pte. J.A.). Son of John and Esther Benedetti, of Windsor, Ontario, Canada.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: II. E. 6.
    Cemetery: RAVENNA WAR CEMETERY
    :poppy:

    Is this at all common, do any other circumstances generate two records on CWGC?
    Does anybody know this chap's likely story?
    I thought maybe just covering up Italian roots when he signed up.

    ~A
     
  2. militarycross

    militarycross Very Senior Member

    Indeed, this is quite unusual. It would be interesting to see his service file if someone in Ottawa wandered over to Public Archives and ordered it up.

    phil
     
  3. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Seen lots of alias & it's common to have 2 entries look at the Aristocracy At War thread, a few of those have 2 entries.

    Another
    CWGC :: Casualty Details

    Name:VINCENT, ALEXANDERInitials:ANationality:United KingdomRank:Second LieutenantRegiment/Service:ALIASDate of Death:23/12/1944Service No:83995Additional information:See Alexander Francis VASS, the true family name.Casualty Type:Commonwealth War DeadMemorial:BROOKWOOD MEMORIAL



    Name:VASS, ALEXANDER FRANCISInitials:A FNationality:United KingdomRank:Second LieutenantRegiment/Service:General ListSecondary Regiment:Special Operations ExecutiveSecondary Unit Text:attd.Age:32Date of Death:23/12/1944Service No:83995Additional information : (Served as Alexander VINCENT). Son of Mrs. Julia Vass, of Welland, Ontario, Canada. Born in Hungary.Casualty Type:Commonwealth War DeadGrave/Memorial Reference:Addenda Panel.Memorial:BROOKWOOD MEMORIAL

    CWGC :: Casualty Details
     
  4. martinb

    martinb Member

    I think it's a case of someone registering for military service in a different name to that on their birth certificate, Click on the alias will sometimes takl take to the official record using their correct name.If not click on the name andthe official name will be somewher in the text.
     
  5. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    This one has only one entry - I have a few of these however they do not have the word "Alias".

    Winterswijk Cemetery 436537 Fleming_IH served as Hunter_I.jpg

    In Memory of
    Flight Sergeant IAN HUNTER FLEMING

    436537, Royal Australian Air Force
    who died age 25
    on 23 October 1944
    (served as HUNTER, Ian), Son of John Gerald and Mary Amelia Fleming, of Nedlands, Western Australia.
    Remembered with honour
    WINTERSWIJK CEMETERY
     
  6. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

    As I understand it these chaps served under an alias because they were 'nobility' and in the eyes of the enemy, if captured and identified, would have been more important than an 'ordinary' pow. They would have been something of a coup for the Germans who would have used them in the propaganda war.
     
  7. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Interesting that the alias is displayed as the main name on Spidge's headstone, I'd have thought the given name would take precedence when known.

    I can understand the 'prominente' reason for the aristos and those with connections to other famous names, and suppose there must have been many men that covered their past identities for a variety of reasons. I'd just not seen it on CWGC before.

    Wondering now about this Benedetti chap, quick Google for that name suggests nothing too obvious as a reason for prominente subterfuge?
     
  8. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    BENEDETTI, probably joined up when Italy was still part of the Axis, I imagine he wanted to Anglicize it.

    Same goes for Vass that I posted, it being Hungarian.
     
  9. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Found some from D-Day.

    Name:VANEInitials:JNationality:United KingdomRank:SignalmanRegiment/Service:ALIASDate of Death:06/06/1944Service No:2385858Additional information:See VAN-BOCHOVE, the true family name.Casualty Type:Commonwealth War DeadCemetery:BAYEUX WAR CEMETERY


    Name:VAN BOCHOVE, JAN CHARLES HENRYInitials:J C HNationality:United KingdomRank:SignalmanRegiment/Service:Royal Corps of SignalsUnit Text:50th Div. Sigs.Age:24Date of Death:06/06/1944Service No:2385858Additional information Served as VANE). Son of Jan Bastiaan van Bochove and Mary Martha van Bochove, of Battersea, London.Casualty Type:Commonwealth War DeadGrave/Memorial Reference:XIV. E. 21.Cemetery:BAYEUX WAR CEMETERY

    Name:LADDY, MAXInitials:MNationality:United KingdomRank:PrivateRegiment/Service:ALIASDate of Death:06/06/1944Service No:6387023Additional information:See Max LEWINSKY, the true family name.Casualty Type:Commonwealth War DeadCemetery:HERMANVILLE WAR CEMETERY


    Name:LEWINSKY, MAXInitials:MNationality:United KingdomRank:PrivateRegiment/Service:Queen's Own Royal West Kent RegimentSecondary Regiment:CommandoSecondary Unit Text:and No. 10Age:32Date of Death:06/06/1944Service No:6387023Additional information ; (Served as Max LADDY).Casualty Type:Commonwealth War DeadGrave/Memorial Reference:1. E. 2.Cemetery:HERMANVILLE WAR CEMETERY

    Lewinsky being a Jewish name, pretty obvious why he used an alias.
     
  10. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

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  11. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Ah, a penny perhaps begins to drop .
    'Benedetti' not just an Italian name, but also seems to have been carried by one or two prominent Jews over the years.
     
  12. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Alias is much more common in WW1 - about 3 men per thousand enlisted under an alias in the UK. Don't have any figures for WW2 but could find out. They usually have two CWGC entries, and the real one is sometimes a devil to find (unless you use a search engine:)) since ther is no cross-reference given but the surname.
     
  13. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    .... do any other circumstances generate two records on CWGC?
    ~A

    I noticed recently that some WW2 civilians had been given a double entry. Don't know why, they were not there 4 yeas ago. A few thousand of them.
     
  14. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    just found another by accident.

    Name:JARVISInitials:J LNationality:United KingdomRank:Lance SerjeantRegiment/Service:ALIASDate of Death:10/08/1944Service No:4690395Additional information:see HARGREAVES - true family name.Casualty Type:Commonwealth War DeadCemetery:ST. MANVIEU WAR CEMETERY, CHEUX

    CWGC :: Casualty Details

    Name:HARGREAVESInitials:J LNationality:United KingdomRank:Lance SerjeantRegiment/Service Durham Light InfantryUnit Text:6th Bn.Date of Death:10/08/1944Service No:4690395Additional information: (served as JARVIS).Casualty Type:Commonwealth War DeadGrave/Memorial Reference:IX. D. 6.Cemetery:ST. MANVIEU WAR CEMETERY, CHEUX

    CWGC :: Casualty Details
     
  15. dovermarine

    dovermarine Senior Member

    This one was from Southern Ireland and served under an alias.
     

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  16. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    There are quite a few alias's (Some of them famous) in the thread I started called 'Churchills German Army'

    Cheers
     

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