Crusader Tank Census Numbers

Discussion in 'Vehicle Names and Census Numbers' started by Andreas, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Hello

    Does anyone know when census serials 15xxx, 16xxx, 43xxx and 46xxx would have been issued, and which Marks they relate to?

    I have 3 CLY in November 41 almost entirely with 15 and 16, thanks to Tom's work.

    Does anyone have a complete list of the early production numbers by any chance?

    Many thanks!

    Andreas
     
  2. KevinT

    KevinT Senior Member

    Hi Andreas,

    I have the following:-

    T15546 – T15645 Mk I
    T15646 – T15745 Mk I & Mk II
    T15746 – T15845 Mk I
    T16558 – T16657 Mk I & Mk II
    T43652 – T43751 Mk II
    T43752 – T45213 Mk II & III
    T46162 – T46261 Mk II

    Perhaps someone can give you the splits between the Mk’s.

    I would be interested to know the numbers of 3 CLY if you have them.

    Cheers

    Kevin

     
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  3. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

  4. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Here you go Kevin. Tank Census Numbers for 9 Lancers.

    All the best

    Andreas
     

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  5. KevinT

    KevinT Senior Member

    Great thank you Andreas. I didn't realise that I had the numbers from the Axis link but the 45 numbers from your War Diary link are all new ones to me.
    If you ever come across anymore census numbers would you please post them on this board or email them to me directly.
    These have all been added to my database.

    Thanks again

    cheers

    Kevin
     
  6. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    D Squadron 7 RTR, November 1941.

    All the best

    Andreas
     

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  7. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    1 RTR and 4 RTR. Not complete lists.

    All the best

    Andreas
     

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  8. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Now this is embarassing Kevin. These were not 9 Lancers, but Queen's Bays. Very sorry for the confusion, I opened the wrong folder.

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  9. DavidW

    DavidW Well-Known Member

    Great stuff guys.

    Thank you all for sharing.
     
  10. KevinT

    KevinT Senior Member

    Now this is embarassing Kevin. These were not 9 Lancers, but Queen's Bays. Very sorry for the confusion, I opened the wrong folder.

    All the best

    Andreas


    No problem Andreas.

    Just to add a little meat to your 7th RTR numbers.

    T6832 GOLIATH
    T6923 GULLIVER II
    T10085 GRIMSBY
    T10128 GO TO IT

    By the way if you have any 9th Lancers please post them.

    cheers

    Kevin
     
  11. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Hi Kevin

    For the moment this is it. When I find more, I'll post it. Many thanks for the names. Do you know the number of GIRAFFE?

    Also, any idea what types of tanks are covered by the census numbers in 1 RTR and 4 RTR?

    Cheers

    Andreas
     
  12. KevinT

    KevinT Senior Member

    Hi Andreas,

    So far for North Africa up to 1941 I have the following:-

    1st RTR
    Vickers Light Mk VIA
    T1976
    Vickers Light Mk VIB
    T2000, T2069, T2147, T2260, T2281, T2292, T2375, T3652 ABERDEEN, T4168
    A9 Cruiser Mk I
    T3503, T3505, T3536, T7199, T7200, T7207, T7214, T7216 ANTELOPE, T7219
    A10 Cruiser Mk II
    T5928, T5937, T5961, T5962, T9220
    A10 Cruiser Mk IIA
    T9248
    A13 Cruiser Mk II / Mk IV
    T9161, T9186, T9188
    A13 Cruiser Mk IVA
    T15218, T15222, T151223, T15238, T15250, T15260, T15282, T18149 AMY

    4th RTR
    Vickers Light Mk VIC
    T5160
    A12 Matilda Mk II
    T6805, T6814, T6837 DRAKE, T6846, T6849 DEFIANCE, T6854, T6855, T6856, T6861, T6862, T6864, T6865, T6947 DANGEROUS, T6961, T6984, T6987, T7010, T7025, T7304, T7306, T7308, T7413, T7433, T10073, T10077 DRAKE, T10089, T10094, T10095, T10099 ( ROVER? ), T10120, T10132, T10140, T10142, T10433, T18890, T18893, T18894.

    I have other numbers for 1st and 4th RTR but unsure of date / location.

    As to the number for GIRAFFE III I have T10130

    I hope this is of interest.

    Cheers

    Kevin

     
  13. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Courtesy of Tom, here are 3 RTR census numbers for Stuarts and Grants in mid-1942.

    All the best

    Andreas
     

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  14. Don Juan

    Don Juan Well-Known Member

    I think this might be what you chaps are looking for. The figures in brackets next to certain census numbers is the suspected number of faulty axles (made by Shaws)

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  15. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Thanks! Great Stuff!

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  16. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Kevin, some more for you:
    All for C Sqdrn 2 RTR, issued to them in October 41, possibly overhauls:

    Cruiser Mk IVA, T.15292, T.18102, T.7032

    All the best

    Andreas
     
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  17. KevinT

    KevinT Senior Member

    Hi Andreas,

    I had T.7032 but did not know which Squadron it was in although the number is mentioned in Miltary Modelling, Vol 41 No. 5.
    T.15292 and T.1802 were both new to me.
    Thanks for all 3.


    cheers

    Kevin
     
  18. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    4 R.T.R. Matilda II T6849 DEFIANCE survived at least until 27 November, there's a photo of it receiving NZ 19 Battalion on Ed Duda.

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  19. KevinT

    KevinT Senior Member

    Thanks Andreas. I had a bit of a computer crash over Christmas and nearly lost all my databases. But I have made a mental note on a piece of paper of this name and number.

    Cheers

    Kevin
     
  20. MarkN

    MarkN Well-Known Member

    Joining the thread somewhat late, but I think a some of the serials have been misallocated to tank type.

    I believe it should be ALL six of the A10 series noted above were A10 Mk.IA (Cruiser Mk.IIA).

    I understand the 35 off A10 Mk.I (Cruiser Mk.II) (Vickers MG) fell into these serial ranges: T8091-8100, T5909-5921 & T9191-9203. Of these, 31 were 'lost' in France and the remaining 4 were never dispatched to the Middle East.

    Similarly, ALL 11 of the A13 serials above are A13 Mk.IIA (Cruiser Mk.IVA). The "Vickers MG" variant of the A13 Mk.II (Cruiser Mk.IVA) fell in the range T9096-9159. There were 64 in total and 58 were 'lost' in France, leaving 6 survivors in the UK which were not sent to the Middle East.

    This is based upon my own analysis of serial allocations published by credible sources thus I cannot refer you to an official document.
     

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