Crossing the Rhine.

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  1. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    No, they did not use DD-Tanks. They used some LCVP (Landing Craft Vehicle and Personnel) to ferry tanks across - this was on the morning of 24 March, following the initial attack by the infantry that took place during the night.
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  2. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian

  3. Wg Cdr Luddite

    Wg Cdr Luddite Well-Known Member

    That is amazing. I would never have thought you could fit a Chafee on an LCVP.
     
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  4. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA Patron

    In addition to fitting it in, I'm shocked an LCVP could handle that weight.
     
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  5. EKB

    EKB Well-Known Member

    The landing craft are LCM; longer and wider than LCVP. The same British photographer recorded parts of the tank battle in Cologne, most notably getting a picture of tank crews baling out of two M4s knocked out by a Panther tank stopped near the cathedral.
    M24s of 18th Tank Battalion, 8th Armored Division drive off LCMs .jpeg
     
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  6. ometei

    ometei Well-Known Member

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    Source: Combat story of the 743rd Tank Battalion
     
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  7. EKB

    EKB Well-Known Member

    Able Company, 748th Tank Battalion.
    DD Sherman of A:748th TB.jpeg


    Baker Company, 191st Tank Battalion.
    DD Sherman of B:191st TB.jpeg


    Charlie Company, 736th Tank Battalion.
    DD Sherman of C:736th TB.jpeg
     
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  8. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    Hello Ometei, it would be great to read the full account... maybe you could post it here, too?

    Added later: I found the source - downloadable PDF...

    Elsewhere I found this:
    "DDs were used by US units in several river crossing operations in the ETO in 1945. In one example, C Company of the 736th was attached to the 743rd Tank Battalion. Due to his prior experience, William Duncan, now a Lt. Colonel and commanding officer of the 743rd, supervised the crossing of the Rhine by the DDs of C Company on March 24 1945. Based on the experience of the Staffordshire Yeomanry at the Scheldt, it became obvious that DDs required a suitable landing place on the far shore, and one was located near the town of Ork, and improved by engineers about an hour beforehand. The first DD crossed at 0345, and all 17 made it across safely by 0554. They then "marched to the sound of the guns" in support of the 30th Infantry Division, which had preceded them in the assault. It is to be noted that elements of Col. Duncan's 743rd crossed the Rhine near Wallach, ferried by two Bailey rafts, later that same day. Some of the DDs used by US units for the Rhine crossings were British conversions. The space between the roadwheels on the unit pictured above suggests that it was a Sherman V (M4A4) DD. Based on the road sign locations, this DD is thought have been with the 748th Tank Battalion. The battalion had 51 DDs, but only a small number were still "floatable," due to wear and tear. One sank immediately upon entering the water because of a torn screen, but 7 of their DDs managed to swim across the Rhine at Oppenheim on March 23."
    Source: Duplex drive Sherman tanks
     
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  9. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    Great pictures - is there any information on the locations? I have seen the last picture of the knocked out DD-tank before in the Rhine crossing context. Regarding the top picture - is this March 1945? The second picture indeed looks like Germany, east of the Rhine, March 1945.

    I am adding this to my initial post: The top pictre is placed near Braunshorn, 24th March with US Third Army`s Rhine crossing in the south.

    The knocked out DD-tank is placed near Frankenthal in a caption I found on Reddit - again much further upstream, between Mannheim and Worms, so again Third Army if th ecaption is correct.
     
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  10. EKB

    EKB Well-Known Member

    Alberk, I don't have the original photo captions and cannot name the location for the Sherman from the 191st. The vintage unit history makes brief statements about the Rhine crossing, with B Company DD tanks in the vanguard:

    https://191sttankbattalion.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/191-tank-bn.pdf

    My copy of the picture was cropped. This looks to be the uncropped version, with a description dating it to 26 March 1945. Maybe someone else would recognize the buildings.

    SC 231632 - 191st Tank Bn (26 March 45).jpeg

    191st Tank Battalion, WW II | KIA, 23 October 1944 | Facebook
     
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  11. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    Thank you EKB,
    according to the story told by the 191st, they crossed the Rhine in the south with US Third Army.
     
  12. ometei

    ometei Well-Known Member

    Some info on the totals of ALL Rhine crossings by DD tanks, taken from "The General Board - Armoured Special Equipment, p.18"

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  13. EKB

    EKB Well-Known Member

    Re: the picture in post #170: the BH Website claims the location is on the east bank of the Rhine, at Durkheim. Is there more than one place with this name?

    45 Div XV Corps Durkheim 26 March
     
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  14. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    Rhein-Durkheim and Bad-Durkheim are possibilities of the site/place in question.

    Maybe other "Durkheim" within Germany, but likely no others on The Rhine.

    Good luck with your searching.

    Kind regards, always,

    Jim.
     
  15. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer Pearl Harbor Myth Buster

    Many years ago I read a book about a tank team that began with their landing on Normandy in a DD-Tank and ended with the same tank swimming the Rhine. Obviously not a source for that but it may have fed the legends at bit.
     
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  16. Temujin

    Temujin Member

    Source: Fold3.com

    Title Page 77
    Title War Machine, Volume 10
    Type Magazine
    Publisher Orbis
    Date Published 1984
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