Court Mounted Medals (And Medal related 'show & tell').

Discussion in 'General' started by Drew5233, Feb 18, 2009.

  1. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Probably the later mate ;)
     
  2. Donnie

    Donnie Remembering HHWH

    Thats what my Mrs thinks too! :D...

    Donnie
     
  3. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    What a fascinating thread and an amazing collection of medals to enjoy.

    Thanks for sharing.

    Some to add, which are from a family member, recent and not so exciting, but also court mounted.
     

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  4. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    So what are they then?
    I know one or two of 'em but to my shame would have to spend a while looking 'em up to find out exactly what he got :blush:.
    I'm sure some of you chaps would be much quicker :D. [​IMG]
     
  5. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    According to the Medal Yearbook 2009 the NATO Service Medals are made of bronze


    Cheers I did say it was a rumour :D The middle one is the only one I can say I earned though.

    Some to add, which are from a family member, recent and not so exciting, but also court mounted.


    Interesting collection Rob ;)
     
  6. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    Interesting collection Rob ;)

    Andy

    They are my Brother's.
     
  7. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    So what are they then?
    I know one or two of 'em but to my shame would have to spend a while looking 'em up to find out exactly what he got :blush:.
    I'm sure some of you chaps would be much quicker :D.

    From Left to Right:

    MBE
    Defence Medal
    War Medal 39-45
    GSM with Bar and MiD
    Don't know
    Long Service and Good Conduct



    I think thats correct

    Cheers
    Andy
     
  8. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    From Left to Right:

    MBE
    Defence Medal
    War Medal 39-45
    GSM with Bar and MiD
    Don't know
    Long Service and Good Conduct

    I think thats correct

    Cheers
    Andy

    The don't know is interesting. It has QE2 on the face, so post '52, maybe Korea, just?
     
  9. Donnie

    Donnie Remembering HHWH

    The mystery medal is the Queens Coronation Medal 1953.

    Donnie
     
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  10. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Check you out Donnie! I knew you had your uses ;)

    Here's a few guides:
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  11. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Cheers Chaps.

    The 'Civic' award now interests me, he was definitely an OBE ("Other Bugger's Efforts" as he called it) and is gazetted in 1958 as:

    "To be Ordinary Officers of the Military Division of the said Most Excellent Order:
    —"

    But there does seem to be a more elaborate enamelled variant for an 'OBE'?? Looked at a few websites and somewhat confused by the whole business now; Orders of precedence are not proving a strong point...

    Was there a 'shinier' variant of the OBE? or does that plain bronze one work for it and the MBE? Are officers who gain the MBE automatically referred to as OBE because they are... officers??

    To confuse myself further I've now got a dim memory that there might have been a family mention of a shinier medal kept separately. Must phone the parents and check tomorrow.
     
  12. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    My Mistake[​IMG]

    The Commander of the Order of the British Empire, Officer of the Order of the British Empire and Member of the Order of the British Empire

    ps I'm rubbish at medals :D
     
  13. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    That picture from Defence Internet | Fact Sheets | Guide to Honours is the one that confused me. Assuming they are a good source, being the people that hand them out:
    The medal on my Grandad's set looks like the plain one to the right, which is described as an MBE on that MOD site. But according to Memory and the Gazette he was an OBE, which seems to imply some sort of greenish enamelling on the medal.
    I wonder if they changed the medal since he got his.
     
  14. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    I haven't got a clue......Where's all the medal experts when you need one hey ?

    Does it have anything engraved on the rear?
     
  15. militarycross

    militarycross Very Senior Member

    I looked in my reference material and am no further ahead on this MBE/OBE question. My Tapril Dorling book is at the office, so I will have a peek at it tomorrow and see if there is anything. The one I have in my collection is the civilian pattern in a lady's mounting.

    Here is another set I mounted for a fellow who was a Staff Sgt with the First Special Service Forces -- the Devil's Brigade. He was presented with the Bronze Star by the US Government two years ago. He was a really neat guy and sadly, we lost him last month.:poppy:
     

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  16. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Thanks for looking Phil. I'm finding myself increasingly interested in these things now.
    This site seems good on British awards & criteria:
    UK Medals
    The Coronation medal's intriguing me now too, as it appears to have been selectively issued. I wonder what he got his for?
    My Father's supposed to be sending off for his service record soon, do they ever contain more on medals & reason for issue?
     
  17. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Adam I don't know if this helps ref the selective issue of the Coronation Medal:

    The Queens Jubilee Medal was only issued to people (I say people because every dept got it, Police, Military, etc etc.) that had done a minimum of five years service from a set date which slips my mind......I had 4 years and 10 months in I think and wasn't eligible for one.

    I remember there was at the time a lot of bad feeling at the time in the Reg Army as some Reg soldiers had done 3 tours (Kos, Bos and Sierra Leone) within that window and couldn't have one and some (quite a lot infact) TA soldiers who had never done anything but a few weekends a year were entitled to it. Bit of s stupid rule if you ask me.....The rumour going round for it was the government could save a considerable amount of money by having a minimum time served.

    So in short it may be a similiar thing Adam.

    Cheers
    Andy
     
  18. plant-pilot

    plant-pilot Senior Member

    Adam I don't know if this helps ref the selective issue of the Coronation Medal:

    The Queens Jubilee Medal was only issued to people (I say people because every dept got it, Police, Military, etc etc.) that had done a minimum of five years service from a set date which slips my mind......I had 4 years and 10 months in I think and wasn't eligible for one.

    I remember there was at the time a lot of bad feeling at the time in the Reg Army as some Reg soldiers had done 3 tours (Kos, Bos and Sierra Leone) within that window and couldn't have one and some (quite a lot infact) TA soldiers who had never done anything but a few weekends a year were entitled to it. Bit of s stupid rule if you ask me.....The rumour going round for it was the government could save a considerable amount of money by having a minimum time served.

    So in short it may be a similiar thing Adam.

    Cheers
    Andy

    I have never understood the moaning about the Jubilee medals. The Silver Jubilee Medal 25 years earlier was issued to a very few people, about three or four per major unit and they could award them to whom they deemed fit. This led to the CO, RSM and another or two. Not really fair but that's the way it was.

    With the Queen's Golden Jubilee Medal, to avoid this situation, the medal office issued a set criteria for it's issue, ie 5 years colour service at a set date:
    All members of Her Majesty's armed forces including the Royal Navy, Army, RAF, Royal Naval Reserve, Territorial Army, RAFVR and Royal Fleet Auxiliary who had completed 5 years or more service on or before 6th February 2002 received this award. The medal also went to the emergency services including the Police, Fire Brigade, RNLI, coastguard and ambulance personnel who completed the required 5 years of service. Other recipients included certain members of the Royal Household Staff and some 46 bearers of the Victoria and George Crosses who were still alive at the time of issue.

    As for saving money? In 1977 30,000 Silver Jubilee Medals were awarded. In 2002 366,000 Golden Jubilee Medals were awarded at a cost of over £7 million even though the armed services were a fraction of the size of those in 1977.

    The Golden Jubilee Medal was an award for service, regardless of being regular RN, RNR, TA, RAF, RAFVR etc. It was not a medal to denote operational service as there are medals issued for that. If you want to take the argument a little further, why do soldiers who go on operational tour get the same medal whether involved in the fighting, sat in an HQ or for that matter, doing 'the tourist thing' and just having hundreds of photos of themselves taken?

    If you are in theater and fit the set criteria you get the Op Medal, if you had completed 5 years colour service on the 6 Feb 2002 you got the QGJM, if not, you didn't. You'll be wanting the VC for 'good conduct' next.
     
  19. Donnie

    Donnie Remembering HHWH

    Plant Pilot,

    You have to admit that if you have served 4 years and 10 months as a reg with a couple of three tours under your belt soldiering day in day out and a TA chappy serves 5 years doing a couple of weekends, a parade night a week and an annual camp every so often its a bit unfair? i think TA service should be done on how many days you acctualy spend in Greens not when your working in a shop etc...... Plant pilot i think your last comments were childish, we are only discussing the fact that the criteria for the QJM was not very good,
    and if you want to make digs at people on the forum about "taking hundreds of pics on tour" shite then show us how interesting and warry your tour of iraq was! if not, stop making stupid comments both here and in the Iraq/Afghan photo thread....its boring..

    Donnie
     
  20. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    I have never understood the moaning about the Jubilee medals. The Silver Jubilee Medal 25 years earlier was issued to a very few people, about three or four per major unit and they could award them to whom they deemed fit. This led to the CO, RSM and another or two. Not really fair but that's the way it was.

    With the Queen's Golden Jubilee Medal, to avoid this situation, the medal office issued a set criteria for it's issue, ie 5 years colour service at a set date:


    As for saving money? In 1977 30,000 Silver Jubilee Medals were awarded. In 2002 366,000 Golden Jubilee Medals were awarded at a cost of over £7 million even though the armed services were a fraction of the size of those in 1977.

    The Golden Jubilee Medal was an award for service, regardless of being regular RN, RNR, TA, RAF, RAFVR etc. It was not a medal to denote operational service as there are medals issued for that. If you want to take the argument a little further, why do soldiers who go on operational tour get the same medal whether involved in the fighting, sat in an HQ or for that matter, doing 'the tourist thing' and just having hundreds of photos of themselves taken?

    If you are in theater and fit the set criteria you get the Op Medal, if you had completed 5 years colour service on the 6 Feb 2002 you got the QGJM, if not, you didn't. You'll be wanting the VC for 'good conduct' next.

    I think you'll find those that got the bar on Telic 1 were in theatre between set dates. Those in Kuwait for example didn't receive the bar.

    I was using the fact some soldiers have gone on numerous operational tours but were not recognised as an example....How can you justify some fat weekend beer swilling TA type in it for the money and nothing else that has no intention of doing anything of note other than blagging his BPFA and CFT results to get a tax free bounty at the end of the financial year getting a the medal and not someone who had been on numerous tours.

    By the way personally I couldn't care for the Jubilee as I was speaking on behalf of other soldiers...A mates ex G/F sprang to mind when I wrote the original post about the Jubilee medal.

    As for your comments about the VC .....I think they'd be more suited to the Walts in the TA than myself.


    As for your comments about me .....I did more than have my picture taken :D
     

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