Cold War Songs?: Hank Williams Jnr et al.

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  1. Christos

    Christos Discharged

    Ladies and Gentleman...

    Whilst listening to a collection of Hank Williams Jnr, I stumbled across a song called "NO NO JOE", a song aimed at none other than Josef Stalin himself. Just wondering if this represents anything at all in Cold War literature, (ie. are there other examples of songs in this Cold War genre?)....I did not know that western media in the late 1940s gathered in the support of such media superstars to rally to the cause.....
    The lyrics are a direct face down, expressing America's desire NOT to be intimidated by the Cold War antics of an ageing Man of Steel......As I say, I didn't realise this genre of music existed, or is it the only example and therefore a unique thing?
     
  2. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    Country music and its artists are usually very patriotic, the Dixie Chicks being a notable exception. There are many songs along the lines of what you mentioned by artists and groups such Charlie Daniels Band, Lee Greenwood, Martina McBride, Alabama and many, many others.

    You seemed to have placed Hank Williams, Jr in the 1940s. You may be thinking of his father, Hank Williams, who was popular from the late 40's, until his death 1 Jan 1953. Williams, Jr started recording in the 1960s but did not become noticeably popular until the late 70s.
     
  3. Christos

    Christos Discharged

    So it's Hank Sr. Im listening too then...ta...

    Actually, I mean't anti Stalin songs....none of which I've ever heard..
     
  4. Christos

    Christos Discharged

    It's no surprise to find the most patriotic section of American music to be it's Country heartland. Looking at some of the music to come out of the American Civil war, it's not a large stretch of the imagination to see exactly where the roots of this style of music belong....right in the hheart of Dixie!

    Reference was made of this in the recent Civil War epic "Cold Mountain", (a fine flick, with Nicole Kidman and Jude Law bringing the story to all it's awkward life). One of the movie's later characters, a Cold Mountain Reb, hides up in the mountains and plays exactly this style of music, getting better and better!........The tunes that soldiers came home with from the American Civil war form the basis for modern popular music, and it's country roots....If you look at pre-Rock-and-Roll, you'll find it was in fact dominated by what we now know as COUNTRY.......another example of the fine music from this period was the soundtrack to the George Clooney film "Brother Where Art Thou?".....with some fine old tunes that sound as if they could have come straight out of the Civil War, and all leading to ROCK....A BRITISH SOUND!

    How IRONIC!
     
  5. Christos

    Christos Discharged

    Johnny Cash, before he died, recorded many songs about America's military history...(Paul Revere....A song about IRA HAYES....The battle of New Orleans....he even read out all 247 words of the Gettysburg address, the last line of which I have heard so often , and such a truism it will so remain...

    "Government Of, the people, BY the people and FOR the people....shall not perish from this earth."
    Ironic again that the musical style that comes down to us then should be from the REBS.....Lincoln, the earthy Kentuckian, would have had it no other way.....he did , after all, request a military band to play DIXIE on the day of surrender,out side his office window.....
     
  6. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    I liked this line in the Gettysburg Address. It could be used by most any country and has such depth of meaning.

    "But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here."

    If any of you have never read it, I would recommend reading the Gettysburg Address, it's a strong passage. Living in the South, I never paid much attention to until I was well into adulthood.
     
  7. Jim Clay

    Jim Clay Member

    Christos

    Fascinating topic!

    You got me thinking about my own record collection, and I came up with these quite quickly:

    West of The Wall - Toni Fisher (1962) - the Berlin wall, that is...wailing love ballad
    Red's Dream - Louisiana Red (1962) - blues. Includes this about the Cuban missile crisis:

    It was a dream, a dream I had last night
    I dreamed I went to the UN
    And set the whole nation right

    Then I told old Khrushchev
    Sittin' there looking bad,
    "Get that junk outta Cuba
    ‘Fore you make me mad.
    Dig up them missile bases
    Take them planes and all
    Or I'll grab me a bat
    With your head for the ball!"

    I'm Gonna Dig Myself a Hole - Arthur 'Big Boy' Crudup (1951) - blues - he's thinking of digging a hole and moving underground - and when he comes out, he hopes "there'll be no more wars around"
    Thirteen Women - Bill Haley (1954) - he dreams he's the only man left after the H-bomb drops. "There's 13 women and only one man in town" - himself ...
    Talkin' World War 3 Blues - Bob Dylan (1962) - another dream about surviving WW3 that Bob tells his doc about.

    "Well, the whole thing started at 3 o'clock fast,
    It was all over by quarter past."

    He tells the doc he tried to find out from his radio what had happened.

    "Well, I remember seein' some ad,
    So I turned on my Conelrad.*
    But I didn't pay my Con Ed bill,
    So the radio didn't work so well."

    (* Conelrad gives its name to this terrific site CONELRAD: All Things Atomic | The Golden Age of Homeland Security
    Its associated site CONELRAD | ATOMIC PLATTERS: Cold War Music from the Golden Age of Homeland Security lists dozens of records from the era with cold war or A-bomb or flying saucer etc themes.)

    Off to play bluesman J B Lenoir's Eisenhower Blues and Korea Blues now - oh yes, I'll dig out Lightnin' Hopkins' War Is Starting Again as well.;-)

    Jim
     
  8. 40th Alabama

    40th Alabama Member

    Mother use to sing one, Praise the Lord and Pass the Amunition-I think that's WW2 vintage.

    Down went the gunner, a bullet was his fate
    Down went the gunner, then the gunners mate
    Up jumped the sky pilot, gave the boys a look
    And manned the gun himself as he laid aside The Book, shouting
    Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!
    Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!
    Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition and we'll all stay free!
     
  9. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    (Adapted from We Didn't Start the Fire)

    I think this one just about says it all!

    YouTube - Billy Joel-We Didn't Start The Fire

    "We Didn't Start the Fire" Lyrics & Links
    Fan Video of We Didn't Start the Fire
    "We Didn't Start The Fire" by Billy Joel Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray
    South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio

    Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, television
    North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

    Rosenbergs, H-Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
    Brando, "The King and I", and "The Catcher in the Rye"

    Eisenhower, vaccine, England's got a new queen
    Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye

    CHORUS
    We didn't start the fire
    It was always burning
    Since the world's been turning
    We didn't start the fire
    No we didn't light it
    But we tried to fight it

    Josef Stalin, Malenkov, Nasser and Prokofiev
    Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc

    Roy Cohn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, dacron
    Dien Bien Phu and "Rock Around the Clock"

    Einstein, James Dean, Brooklyn's got a winning team
    Davy Crockett, "Peter Pan", Elvis Presley, Disneyland

    Bardot, Budapest, Alabama, Khrushchev
    Princess Grace, "Peyton Place", trouble in the Suez

    CHORUS

    Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac
    Sputnik, Chou En-Lai, "Bridge on the River Kwai"

    Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle, California baseball
    Starkweather, homicide, children of thalidomide

    Buddy Holly, "Ben-Hur", space monkey, Mafia
    hula hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no go

    U2, Syngman Rhee, payola and Kennedy
    Chubby Checker, "Psycho", Belgians in the Congo

    CHORUS

    Hemingway, Eichmann, "Stranger in a Strange Land"
    Dylan, Berlin, Bay of Pigs Invasion

    "Lawrence of Arabia", British Beatlemania
    Ole Miss, John Glenn, Liston beats Patterson

    Pope Paul, Malcolm X, British politician sex
    JFK, blown away, what else do I have to say

    CHORUS

    Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon, back again
    Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock
    Begin, Reagan, Palestine, terror on the airline
    Ayatollolah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan

    "Wheel of Fortune" , Sally Ride, heavy metal, suicide
    Foreign debts, homeless vets, AIDS, Crack, Bernie Goetz
    Hypodermics on the shores, China's under martial law
    Rock and Roller Cola Wars, I can't take it anymore

    CHORUS

    We didn't start the fire
    But when we are gone
    Will it still burn on, and on, and on, and on...
     
  10. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    (Adapted from We Didn't Start the Fire)

    I think this one just about says it all!

    "We Didn't Start the Fire" Lyrics & Links
    Fan Video of We Didn't Start the Fire
    "We Didn't Start The Fire" by Billy Joel

    Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray
    South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio

    Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, television
    North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

    Rosenbergs, H-Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
    Brando, "The King and I", and "The Catcher in the Rye"

    Eisenhower, vaccine, England's got a new queen
    Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye

    CHORUS
    We didn't start the fire
    It was always burning
    Since the world's been turning
    We didn't start the fire
    No we didn't light it
    But we tried to fight it

    Josef Stalin, Malenkov, Nasser and Prokofiev
    Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc

    Roy Cohn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, dacron
    Dien Bien Phu and "Rock Around the Clock"

    Einstein, James Dean, Brooklyn's got a winning team
    Davy Crockett, "Peter Pan", Elvis Presley, Disneyland

    Bardot, Budapest, Alabama, Khrushchev
    Princess Grace, "Peyton Place", trouble in the Suez

    CHORUS

    Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac
    Sputnik, Chou En-Lai, "Bridge on the River Kwai"

    Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle, California baseball
    Starkweather, homicide, children of thalidomide

    Buddy Holly, "Ben-Hur", space monkey, Mafia
    hula hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no go

    U2, Syngman Rhee, payola and Kennedy
    Chubby Checker, "Psycho", Belgians in the Congo

    CHORUS

    Hemingway, Eichmann, "Stranger in a Strange Land"
    Dylan, Berlin, Bay of Pigs Invasion

    "Lawrence of Arabia", British Beatlemania
    Ole Miss, John Glenn, Liston beats Patterson

    Pope Paul, Malcolm X, British politician sex
    JFK, blown away, what else do I have to say

    CHORUS

    Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon, back again
    Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock
    Begin, Reagan, Palestine, terror on the airline
    Ayatollolah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan

    "Wheel of Fortune" , Sally Ride, heavy metal, suicide
    Foreign debts, homeless vets, AIDS, Crack, Bernie Goetz
    Hypodermics on the shores, China's under martial law
    Rock and Roller Cola Wars, I can't take it anymore

    CHORUS

    We didn't start the fire
    But when we are gone
    Will it still burn on, and on, and on, and on...
     
  11. chipmunk wallah

    chipmunk wallah Senior Member

    What about the other side,Woodie Guthries most famous tune,This land is our Land,always makes me laugh how this is taught in American schools but conveniently missing out the uncomfortable verses . Mind,after the US's own Uncle Joe had his way any sort of patriotic ,constitutional dissent waas warped into "treachery",something I always thought the revoloutionary founding fathers would be turning in their graves over,ah well.
     
  12. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    This land is our Land,

    Are you from the US? I do not recall ever singing this song whilst in school, 1969-1981. And the likelihood of being added to cirriculums since then is minimal at best.
     
  13. chipmunk wallah

    chipmunk wallah Senior Member

    Come on jeff,maybe not in your school but you got to admit its a popular song round camp fires etc,in the same vein as Born in The USA ,that was a chuckle when reagan boasted about it being a great flag waving song :)
    as for am I from the US, I expected better than that from you mate, I wouldnt call you on anything about stuff that isnt from the US would I just because your from the US(or should that be CSA ;) )...if that makes sense :)
     
  14. Jim Clay

    Jim Clay Member

    THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND
    (the uncomfortable verses?)
    words and music by Woody Guthrie

    Chorus:
    This land is your land, this land is my land
    From California, to the New York Island
    From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters
    This land was made for you and me

    As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there
    And that sign said - no tress passin'
    But on the other side .... it didn't say nothin!
    Now that side was made for you and me!

    Chorus

    In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple
    Near the relief office - I see my people
    And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin'
    If this land's still made for you and me.

    Chorus (2x)

    ©1956 (renewed 1984), 1958 (renewed 1986) and 1970 TRO-Ludlow Music, Inc. (
    BMI)
     
  15. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    That wasn't the intent Wallah. I wasn't sure where you were from, whether you were an expatriate of the US or not.

    I am very familiar with the song, but knowing who the author was and who he was associated with, I fully understand why we didn't sing this or other of his songs.

    I understand what you say about Reagan and he was right to a degree. Leave out the obvious peans to communism, it can be a flag waving song.

    I'm not interested in getting into a noxious discussion over patriotism. I am one those patriotic Americans you probably laugh about. I admit it, I'm guilty. I love my country greatly and I am very far right of center. The Republican are a gaggle of liberals from my viewpoint.

    Anyway, on to better subjects.
     
  16. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Cold War Songs?

    Well lets start with Country Joe and the Fish's Classic "I feel like I'm a fixing to die" Rag!

    YouTube - country joe mcdonald and the fish- vietman song

    Yeah, come on all of you, big strong men,
    Uncle Sam needs your help again.
    He’s got himself in a terrible jam
    Way down yonder in Vietnam
    So put down your books and pick up a gun,
    We’re gonna have a whole lotta fun.
    And it’s one, two, three,
    What are we fighting for ?
    Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn,
    Next stop is Vietnam;
    And it’s five, six, seven,
    Open up the pearly gates,
    Well there ain’t no time to wonder why,
    Whoopee! we’re all gonna die.
    Well, come on generals, let’s move fast;
    Your big chance has come at last.
    Gotta go out and get those reds —
    The only good commie is the one who’s dead
    And you know that peace can only be won
    When we’ve blown ‘em all to kingdom come.
    And it’s one, two, three,
    What are we fighting for ?
    Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn,
    Next stop is Vietnam;
    And it’s five, six, seven,
    Open up the pearly gates,
    Well there ain’t no time to wonder why
    Whoopee! we’re all gonna die.
    Huh!
    Well, come on Wall Street, don’t move slow,
    Why man, this is war au-go-go.
    There’s plenty good money to be made
    By supplying the Army with the tools of the trade,
    Just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
    They drop it on the Viet Cong.
    And it’s one, two, three,
    What are we fighting for ?
    Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn,
    Next stop is Vietnam.
    And it’s five, six, seven,
    Open up the pearly gates,
    Well there ain’t no time to wonder why
    Whoopee! we’re all gonna die.
    Well, come on mothers throughout the land,
    Pack your boys off to Vietnam.
    Come on fathers, don’t hesitate,
    Send ‘em off before it’s too late.
    Be the first one on your block
    To have your boy come home in a box.
    And it’s one, two, three
    What are we fighting for ?
    Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn,
    Next stop is Vietnam.
    And it’s five, six, seven,
    Open up the pearly gates,
    Well there ain’t no time to wonder why,
    Whoopee! we’re all gonna die.
     
  17. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Billy Joel's Leningrad was another example:

    YouTube - Billy Joel-Leningrad


    Viktor was born in the spring of '44
    And never saw his father anymore
    A child of sacrifice, a child of war
    Another son who never had a father after Leningrad

    Went off to school and learned to serve the state
    Followed the rules and drank his vodka straight
    The only way to live was drown the hate
    A Russian life was very sad
    And such was life in Leningrad

    I was born in '49
    A cold war kid in McCarthy time
    Stop 'em at the 38th Parallel
    Blast those yellow reds to hell
    And cold war kids were hard to kill
    Under their desk in an air raid drill
    Haven't they heard we won the war
    What do they keep on fighting for?

    Viktor was sent to some Red Army town
    Served out his time, became a circus clown
    The greatest happiness he'd ever found
    Was making Russian children glad
    And children lived in Leningrad

    But children lived in Levittown
    And hid in the shelters underground
    Until the Soviets turned their ships around
    And tore the Cuban missiles down
    And in that bright October sun
    We knew our childhood days were done
    And I watched my friends go off to war
    What do they keep on fighting for?

    And so my child and I came to this place
    To meet him eye to eye and face to face
    He made my daughter laugh, then we embraced
    We never knew what friends we had
    Until we came to Leningrad
     
  18. chipmunk wallah

    chipmunk wallah Senior Member

    "That wasn't the intent Wallah. I wasn't sure where you were from, whether you were an expatriate of the US or not."
    yep,realised that later on Jeff :)
    "I am very familiar with the song, but knowing who the author was and who he was associated with, I fully understand why we didn't sing this or other of his songs."
    Quite,I still respect the man for his early stand against the fascists in Europe though.

    "I'm not interested in getting into a noxious discussion over patriotism. "
    Its always subjective and personal so I agree,not for here :)

    "Anyway, on to better subjects."
    How about those Giants hey? ;)
     
  19. chipmunk wallah

    chipmunk wallah Senior Member

    "Well lets start with Country Joe and the Fish's Classic "I feel like I'm a fixing to die" Rag!"
    Someone will know this but,I heard the music on an old forties film about the USMC,looks like they could write great lyrics(from personal experiance) but had to copy the tunes :)

    How about this 80s classic then?:group2:

    You and I in a little toy shop
    Buy a bag of balloons with the money we've got.
    Set them free at the break of dawn
    'Til one by one, they were gone.
    Back at base, bugs in the software
    Flash the message, Something's out there.
    Floating in the summer sky.
    99 red balloons go by.

    99 red balloons.
    floating in the summer sky.
    Panic bells, it's red alert.
    There's something here from somewhere else.
    The war machine springs to life.
    Opens up one eager eye.
    Focusing it on the sky.
    Where 99 red balloons go by

    99 Decision Street.
    99 ministers meet.
    To worry, worry, super-scurry.
    Call the troops out in a hurry.
    This is what we've waited for.
    This is it boys, this is war.
    The president is on the line
    As 99 red balloons go by.

    99 Knights of the air
    Ride super-high-tech jet fighters
    Everyone's a superhero.
    Everyone's a Captain Kirk.
    With orders to identify.
    To clarify and classify.
    Scramble in the summer sky.
    As 99 red balloons go by.

    99 dreams I have had.
    In every one a red balloon.
    It's all over and I'm standing pretty.
    In this dust that was a city.
    If I could find a souvenier.
    Just to prove the world was here.
    And here is a red balloon
    I think of you and let it go.

    99 red balloons,Nena,1983/4:sign_war::deflag[1]:
     
  20. chipmunk wallah

    chipmunk wallah Senior Member

    sorry,on a roll now,who can miss out The Quo?
    :rocker:
    A vacation in a forreign land
    Uncle sam does the best he can
    Youre in the army now
    Oh, oh, youre in the army now

    Now you remember what the draftman said
    Nothing to do all day but stay in bed
    Youre in the army now
    Oh, oh, youre in the army now

    You be the hero of thw neiborhood
    Nobody knows that you left for good
    Youre in the army now
    Oh, oh, youre in the army now

    Smiling faces as you wait to land
    But once you get there no one gives a damn
    Youre in the army now
    Oh, oh, youre in the army now

    Hand grenades flying over your head
    Missiles flying over your head
    If you want to survive get out of bed
    Youre in the army now
    Oh, oh, youre in the army now

    Shots ring out in the dad of night
    The sergant calls (stand up and fight)
    Youre in the army now
    Oh, oh, youre in the army now

    Youve got your orders better shoot on sight
    Your fingers on the trigger
    But it dont seem right
    Youre in the army now
    Oh, oh, youre in the army now
    Youre in the army now
    Oh, oh, youre in the army now

    Night is falling and you just cant see
    Is this illusion or reality
    Youre in the army now
    Oh, oh, youre in the army now
    Youre in the army now
    Oh, oh, youre in the army now

    Oh, oh, youre in the army now
     

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