Cliveden War Cemetery

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  1. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Went here today.
    Cliveden
    Didn't know there was a CWGC cemetery there, that was a nice surprise.
    Cemetery
    Took a few pics .

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    The NT Cliveden guide book says Bertram MacKennal's statue symblises Canada and is said to be lossely based on the facial features of Nancy Astor. canada 01.jpg canada 02.jpg
     
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  2. Owen

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    Here are a few WW1 graves that caught my eye.
    I looked the 4th Gren Gds chap up in SDGW book I have but couldn't find him listed
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    russell.jpg brewer.jpg cochet.jpg graham.jpg james.jpg rhoads.jpg
     
  3. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Two WW2 graves but Guy is not listed on CWGC list for the cemetery.

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    Casualty


    Flight Lieutenant (Pilot)JOHNSON, SIDNEY FREDERICK FARQUHAR
    Service Number 91005

    Died 26/02/1941

    Aged 25

    256 Sqdn.
    Royal Air Force (Auxiliary Air Force)

    Son of Capt. Sidney Frederick Johnson, The Border Regt. (killed in action in France, 10th January, 1917), and of Helen Marguerite Johnson, of Chelsea, London

    INSCRIPTION
    BORN IN LONDON NOV. 13TH 1915



    Men of The Battle of Britain




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  4. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Canada, Virtual War Memorial Index, 1900-2014
    Name: Marin Cochet
    Rank: Private
    Death Date: 2 Jan 1919
    Cemetery: CLIVEDEN WAR CEMETERY ; Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom
    Grave Reference: 21.
    Force: Army
    Unit: Canadian Infantry (Saskatchewan Regiment)
    Division: 5th Bn.
    Service Number: 1018721
    URL: Home - Veterans Affairs Canada...

    UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
    Name: Pvt Marin Cochet
    Birth Date: 8 Dec 1891
    Birth Place: Algiers, Algeria
    Death Date: 2 Jan 1919
    Death Place: Eton, Windsor and Maidenhead Royal Borough, Berkshire, England
    Cemetery: Cliveden War Memorial Cemetery
    Burial or Cremation Place: Taplow, South Bucks District, Buckinghamshire, England
    Has Bio?: Y
    URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...

    TD


    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Marin Cochet
    Death Age: 26
    Birth Date: abt 1893
    Registration Date: Mar 1919
    Registration district: Eton
    Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
    Volume: 3a
    Page: 1376
     
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  5. Tricky Dicky

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    UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
    Name: Pvt Ernest Frank Guy
    Death Date: 2 Sep 1940
    Cemetery: Cliveden War Memorial Cemetery
    Burial or Cremation Place: Taplow, South Bucks District, Buckinghamshire, England
    Has Bio?: N
    URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Ernest F Guy
    Death Age: 60
    Birth Date: abt 1880
    Registration Date: Sep 1940
    Registration district: Eton
    Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
    Volume: 3a
    Page: 2098

    England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
    Name: Ernest Frank Guy
    Death Date: 2 Sep 1940
    Death Place: Buckinghamshire, Buckingham, England
    Probate Date: 28 Feb 1941
    Registry: Llandudno
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  6. Owen

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    I've emailed the CWGC about the state of Graham's headstone.
    Hope it can be replaced.
     
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  7. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    Thomas Henry James had been discharged from the Army 6.7.1917 and received his Silver War badge on 13.8.1917.

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  8. Owen

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    Thanks for that , I did start a thread on GWF , first one for ages but no need for that now.
     
  9. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Unusual to find CWGC cemetery all with the qualifying date graves without the standard CWGC tombstones......could be related to the then private estate.

    It appears that all the casualties are in the CWGC data base.

    Results

    Marin Cochet appears to have been a French Canadian but born in the then French colony of Algeria.

    Cliveden House..... 50 odd years ago....the Profumo scandal who brought down a government......site of swimming pool rollicking with John and Christine.... problem was he sharing her with a Russian attache.

    [Post being drafted as others were appearing]
     
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  11. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Following Guys post
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  12. Owen

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  13. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    During the war, the family gave permission for the garden to be adapted to serve as the final resting place for servicemen who died in the hospital. The mosaic paving was replaced with turf and the graves were marked with plain stones recumbent on the graves rather than the upright headstones that are familiar in other Commonwealth War Graves Commission cemeteries.
    http://media.cwgc.org/media/239363/cliveden.pdf
     
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  14. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Thanks Clive.

    I thought it might be related to the ownership of the then private estate.
     
  15. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Hello Harry
    Caversfield St Laurence near Aylesbury is on a private estate but all headstones are CWGC
     
  16. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Probably linked to the power and influence of the Astor family at the time and left to the discretion of the landowner,The Astor family determined the outcome as indicate in Post #13.In other situations apart from Church and Municipal burials the CWGC had to purchase or be granted the land for CWGC cemeteries to be established.

    The forerunner to the CWGC was the Imperial War Graves Commission, created in May 1917,(the CWGC from 1960.)Then in 1920,the standard tombstone as we know it was introduced which involved extensive hand sculpturing.....one of its main principles of the Graves Commission was to adopt a standard tombstone.(Sometime ago I remember seeing an article on the CWGC's work which illustrated the conversion in the tombstone final product from hand sculpturing to an automatic process..a saving in production costs.)

    I would say that the Cliveden War Cemetery is an example of graves with recumbent tombstones through an ad hoc arrangement,other CWGC cemeteries have similar arrangements where there were subsidence problems.

    Without doubt an interesting subject.
     
  17. Owen

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  18. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Just had this email back from them.

     
  19. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Well done Owen.To some degree the CWGC depend on feedback such as this from visitors.

    I had a similar case which I reported to the CWGC of a Great War grave in Normandy which some clown had altered the casualty's name by peening her surname...possibly missed by the CWGC as the cemetery appeared to have few visitors but one would have thought it would be within the scope of the visits of the maintenance teams.
     
  20. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    The supervisor teams are very stretched in the UK and should do a visit every 3 -4 years unfortunately this is now much much longer.
     

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