Civilians killed and wounded in London - test finished

Discussion in 'United Kingdom' started by Pete Wood, Oct 15, 2012.

  1. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    hello Nwad and welcome to the forum

    perhaps if you could scan any docs in (if not deemed to personal) forum members could assist you further




    DOCKERILL, WILLIAM ROBERT

    Rank:

    Civilian

    Date of Death:

    09/10/1940

    Age:

    16

    Regiment/Service:

    Civilian War Dead





    Reporting Authority

    FINSBURY, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH

    Additional Information:
    Son of L. Dockerill, of 3 Bradbury Street, Kingsland, and of William Robert Stanley Dockerill. Died at Leysian Mission, City Road.
    http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3128029/DOCKERILL,%20WILLIAM%20ROBERT

    Father below


    DOCKERILL, WILLIAM ROBERT STANLEY

    Rank:

    Civilian

    Date of Death:

    09/10/1940

    Age:

    45

    Regiment/Service:

    Civilian War Dead





    Reporting Authority

    FINSBURY, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH

    Additional Information:
    Air Raid Warden. Husband of L. Dockerill, of 3 Bradbury Street, Kingsland. Died at Leysian Mission, City Road.
    http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3128030/DOCKERILL,%20WILLIAM%20ROBERT%20STANLEY

    regards
    Clive
     
  2. Nwad

    Nwad New Member

    Thanks for that Clive, the list only contains what he was wearing and items in his pockets (pennies, halfpennies, ring etc). I just wondered if there was a way of finding out what injuries were sustained. They were both removal men, and their removal van was destroyed. My grandmother had to pay £5 to have it towed away. I didn't know if perhaps they were taken to a hospital first, or what happened immediately after the explosion.
     
  3. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Hello Nwad

    Try dropping Pete Wood a private message,he might be able to assist futher

    regards
    Clive
     
  4. Pete Wood

    Pete Wood Member

    Just seen this. The Dockerill men were killed outright, and taken to Warner Street Mortuary. There they were assigned a number (448/23 and 448/24) and their belongings searched to identify them. The Metropolitan Police would then contact relatives, who would identify the bodies (where injuries were deemed to acceptable to be viewed) and receive any possessions.

    Following an identification, the Council would then select an undertaker to remove the bodies for burial.

    The council then informed the Imperial War Graves Commission of their details. This included the location of their burial. Sadly, the IWGC Civilian War Deaths Committee chose not to publish the burial location. Even worse, IMHO, the CWGC later destroyed the paperwork relating to Civilian burials.
     
  5. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Pete

    Just spotted this and see I failed to thank you for your resonse to my Boreham Street query at #27'.

    Belated apologies and thanks !

    Ron

    Ps
    As 5 is my lucky number I was also amused to see this is my 5,555th posting :)
     
  6. MHS69

    MHS69 Member

    Dear Pete,

    I got your details from a thread started back in 2013 between Clive(CL1) and Tony(Tonym) & hope you don't mind me contacting you.

    I was wondering if you could tell me where I can now view your database 'Civilians killed & wounded in London'?' Also although I appreciate it says civilians can you tell me if it includes service personnel on leave at time of injury(to the best of your knowledge)? I am specifically looking at doodlebug attack in early hours of 23/08/1944 in the New Southgate/White City area, particularly Blaxland House where my grandparents & aunt were killed & injured(prior to passing). My grandfather & aunt were both home on leave from the RN at the time & I'm looking for any info available for them & my grandmother. But I would also like to know how many others suffered injury & loss from the same incident.

    Can I just say thank you for all the work you have done in compiling the databases, it truly is a magnificent undertaking & as from my own experience being able to find answers from those sad events does help.

    Kindest regards

    Michelle
     
  7. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Hello Michelle it might be an idea to send a private message to Pete

    also you can use Geoffs search engine Geoff's 1939-47 Search Engine to locate casualties.
    Plus CWGC Homepage
    If a member of the armed forces was killed during an air aid they would be commemorated on the CWGC website
    If you post your query here WREN Ellen Saunders & parents we will try to assist you.

    Regards
    Clive
     
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2016
  8. MHS69

    MHS69 Member

    Hi Clive, thank you for your response. I had originally planned to send a private message to Pete, but alas my tech-ignorance means I couldn't see how to do it. I was just after the additional data Pete's database seems to offer, e.g. where bodies taken, injuries, undertakers, who identified bodies. I appreciate he has closed this enquiry opportunity and that's fine I'm happy to pat to access it but I was struggling to locate the finished database.

    Thanks again for any assistance, all of you do a marvellous job with this site & all the connected databases etc.

    Kindest regards,

    Michelle
     
  9. Drayton

    Drayton Senior Member

    "London" is an ambiguous term - London County Council area, Metropolitan Police area, Greater London Assembly area, London postal districts - what have you covered?
     
  10. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron


    Hello Michelle
    I have sent a private message to Pete for you
    in the mean time if you have any queries please post them on WREN Ellen Saunders & parents and well shall keep all the info in one place.


    regards
    Clive
     
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  11. Pete Wood

    Pete Wood Member

    I agree London is ambiguous. Sorry. With very few exceptions, it covers the area of the current M25 and within. So there are small areas of Middlesex, Surrey, Kent and Essex covered - as well as London. It is the area covered by the Metropolitan Police during the War.

    I will contact the publisher about this database. It has been dragging on for far too long. My apologies.
     
  12. Pete Wood

    Pete Wood Member

    I have replied in the appropriate section.
     
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  13. MHS69

    MHS69 Member

    Thank you for all your help Clive!

    Kindest regards,

    Michelle
     
  14. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Hello Michelle
    give us a shout if you require any more help


    regards
    Clive
     
  15. ARPCDHG

    ARPCDHG Member

    *BUMP* Anyone know what happened to the much-touted V2/Civilian casualties database that I think Pete Wood was working on and was mentioned on here a few years ago now? It was a pinned post but disappeared. Will this database ever see light? Thanks.
     
  16. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    drop Pete a pm he was last on forum 31/8/18
     

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