Civilians killed and wounded in London - test finished

Discussion in 'United Kingdom' started by Pete Wood, Oct 15, 2012.

  1. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I found this thread interesting and sad to read. I'm used to looking at lists of military casualties and have probably become hardened to them but these are ordinary people of all ages who had been going about their everyday lives. It should be required reading for the Dresden revisionists.

    I hope that the full resource does become widely available as these people shouldn't be forgotten either.

    Great Work !:)
     
  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    I found this thread interesting and sad to read. I'm used to looking at lists of military casualties and have probably become hardened to them but these are ordinary people of all ages who had been going about their everyday lives. It should be required reading for the Dresden revisionists.

    I hope that the full resource does become widely available as these people shouldn't be forgotten either.

    Great Work !:)

    Hello Rich

    it is Great Work indeed

    MICHAELIS, ALAN JOHN

    Rank:
    Civilian
    Date of Death:
    29/06/1944
    Regiment/Service:
    Civilian War Dead

    Reporting Authority
    HARROW, URBAN DISTRICT
    Additional Information:
    Aged 7 hours; of 3 Kenton Lane, Kenton. Son of Mr. and Mrs. Railton Michaelis. Injured 28 June 1944, at 3 Kenton Lane; died at Harrow and Wealdstone Hospital.

    regards
    Clive
     
  3. Pete Wood

    Pete Wood Member

    Hello Rich

    it is Great Work indeed

    MICHAELIS, ALAN JOHN

    Rank:
    Civilian
    Date of Death:
    29/06/1944
    Regiment/Service:
    Civilian War Dead

    Reporting Authority
    HARROW, URBAN DISTRICT
    Additional Information:
    Aged 7 hours; of 3 Kenton Lane, Kenton. Son of Mr. and Mrs. Railton Michaelis. Injured 28 June 1944, at 3 Kenton Lane; died at Harrow and Wealdstone Hospital.

    regards
    Clive

    The baby's mother, Sylvia Michaelis, aged just 22, received multiple cuts and was treated at the same hospital. It made me shiver, too, when I saw the age of baby Alan.

    Obit:
    Michaelis Sylvia Passed away peacefully in Donnington House on April 13, 2012, aged 90 years. Sylvia was the beloved wife of Railton, to whom she had been married for 70 years. She was the loving mother to John, Linda, Kelvin and Colin as well as grandmother to 13 grandchildren, and great grandmother to 12 great grandchildren. Memorial Service to take place on Monday, April 30, 2012, in Chichester Baptist Church at 2.00 p.m.
     
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  4. ramacal

    ramacal 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA Patron

    Pete - Well done and thanks for your work on this database.

    Cheers - Rob
     
  5. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    The baby's mother, Sylvia Michaelis, aged just 22, received multiple cuts and was treated at the same hospital. It made me shiver, too, when I saw the age of baby Alan.

    Obit:
    Michaelis Sylvia Passed away peacefully in Donnington House on April 13, 2012, aged 90 years. Sylvia was the beloved wife of Railton, to whom she had been married for 70 years. She was the loving mother to John, Linda, Kelvin and Colin as well as grandmother to 13 grandchildren, and great grandmother to 12 great grandchildren. Memorial Service to take place on Monday, April 30, 2012, in Chichester Baptist Church at 2.00 p.m.

    MICHAELIS, ALAN JOHN
    Headstone in Harrow Weald Cemetery.
     

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  6. Pete Wood

    Pete Wood Member

    If you are lucky enough to live in a borough, where the Mortuary records survive, you will find something like this....
     

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  7. Deacs

    Deacs Well i am from Cumbria. Patron

    Sorry, but your casualties' records do not survive.

    Islington mortuary records are complete. Finsbury only has around 10 per cent survival (weeded in the '60s).

    Thanks Pete and good luck with your great research hope all goes well.

    Regards Michael.
     
  8. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    It's a fair question, Geoff.

    I have signed a contract with FMP, which was keen to host the following databases:

    1 WW1 civilians and military killed by air raids on the UK
    2 All WW1 air raid incidents on London
    3 WW2 Fire Brigade incidents recorded on air raids in London
    4 Civilians killed or injured, in the London District, by air raids in WW2

    My contract, for which I will get a small revenue share, will pay for the databases (and 20 plus years worth of research) to be privately printed.

    I am then free, once the book is printed, to host the information free of charge, on a website, according to my contract. This will include information that FMP was not willing to host (Unidentified WW2 casualties, including photos, and bomb census maps for WW1).

    I will not be making a profit. Trust me, I have spent a small fortune in amassing this information, which I would like to be made available to as many people as possible. My revenue from FMP, and the research work for WDYTYA doesn't come close to covering my costs. But it will go some way to paying for the book(s).

    Pete,

    Thanks for the reply. Good to see you will maintain control of everything.
    Your project is much bigger than mine, where my computer did the hard work - after I'd written in total around 15-20,000 lines of computer code. And I never actually owned any data. My time was a lot shorter, about 3 months and costs quite low. Think I've spent more on getting some local men commemorated. I was offered hosting by a couple of diamond geezers (thanks mates) but since I had a system that worked, was forever tinkering with it and did not cost much to run, I kept my original site running.
    Again, well done, look forward to seeing the results of the project.

    geoff
     
  9. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    I found this thread interesting and sad to read. I'm used to looking at lists of military casualties and have probably become hardened to them but these are ordinary people of all ages who had been going about their everyday lives. It should be required reading for the Dresden revisionists.

    I hope that the full resource does become widely available as these people shouldn't be forgotten either.

    Great Work !:)

    Rich,

    Put the word months into the including field of my search engine and see what you get. Age is only in the age field if over 1 year old.

    geoff
     
  10. ARPCDHG

    ARPCDHG Member

    Pete - I have done a similar project here in Leicestershire.

    Are you breaching the Data Protection Act by publishing these sensitive details? This was what was put to me by a county archivist, who said that living relatives/their children might be offended by such publication.
     
  11. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Are you breaching the Data Protection Act by publishing these sensitive details?

    DPA only applies to living individuals. Some of the wounded will be alive.

    .... who said that living relatives/their children might be offended by such publication.
    some may be, perhaps.
     
  12. Pete Wood

    Pete Wood Member

    Pete - I have done a similar project here in Leicestershire.

    Are you breaching the Data Protection Act by publishing these sensitive details? This was what was put to me by a county archivist, who said that living relatives/their children might be offended by such publication.


    Have a look at Section 33 of the DPA - exemptions.

    The act goes a lot further than 'offended' and states: The personal data is not being used in a way that will cause, or is likely to cause, substantial damage or substantial distress to any data subject.

    I hope that doesn't portray me as being cold-hearted. But I do believe it is in the public interest to share this information.

    That said, I don't want anyone to be distressed. If people, here or elsewhere (especially with relatives involved), think this will cause distress, I won't publish it. Simple.

    Like I said, it was never about the money - and always because I thought it would be of historical significance.
     
  13. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Have a look at Section 33 of the DPA - exemptions.

    The act goes a lot further than 'offended' and states: The personal data is not being used in a way that will cause, or is likely to cause, substantial damage or substantial distress to any data subject.

    I hope that doesn't portray me as being cold-hearted. But I do believe it is in the public interest to share this information.

    That said, I don't want anyone to be distressed. If people, here or elsewhere (especially with relatives involved), think this will cause distress, I won't publish it. Simple.

    Like I said, it was never about the money - and always because I thought it would be of historical significance.

    Pete
    My thoughts
    We should remember and it is of historical significance.
    please see attached.

    GAYLARD, JOAN EILEEN

    Rank:
    Civilian
    Date of Death:
    07/07/1944
    Age:
    19
    Regiment/Service:
    Civilian War Dead

    Reporting Authority
    HAYES AND HARLINGTON, URBAN DISTRICT
    Additional Information:
    Daughter of Mr. and Mrs. F. J. Gaylard, of 171 St. Paul's Avenue, Kenton. Died at H.M.V. Gramophone Factory, Hayes.


    Buried Wealdstone Cemetery






    regards
    Clive
     

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  14. blitz_researcher

    blitz_researcher Junior Member

    Hi Pete
    I'd love to know more - when you say you have finished transcribing it, where did you get the information from in the first place? And what sort of detail does it give - is the information for each person in standard format?
    For example I am interested in the Archway V2 that fell on 5th November 1944 on Grovedale Road and Boothby Road, affecting St Johns Way as well - could you tell me anything about that?
    Best wishes
    Andrew
     
  15. blitz_researcher

    blitz_researcher Junior Member

    And yes, I should have read on in the thread and found you weren't taking any more enquiries - sorry!
     
  16. lesleyplant

    lesleyplant Junior Member

     
  17. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    Pete, that's a great body of work you have there, any chance you could check Playgreen Way,Bellingham, SE6..... please.
     
  18. Little Friend

    Little Friend Senior Member

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    I took these in May 2011. This memorial is at the junction of Park road and Kings road, Kingston upon Thames. Others I have don't include victims names.
     
  19. Little Friend

    Little Friend Senior Member

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  20. Nwad

    Nwad New Member

    I have a list of contents that were found on my uncle, William Dockerill, who was killed October 9th 1940 (aged 16) along with my grandfather in an air raid outside the Leysian Mission, City Road. The list of contents is dated 12th October 1940 and is signed by H.E. Smith, Mortuary, Warner Street. The list is numbered '49.' Can anyone tell me anything more about this? Thank you.
     

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