Civilian War Dead of Jersey, Channel Isles - Non Commemorated By The CWGC

Discussion in 'Non-Commemorated War Dead' started by chrisharley9, Dec 28, 2008.

  1. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Now on to my first major project for the non commemorated war dead of WW2

    From the island of Jersey the following appear to be non commemorated having died through Nazi abuse in concentration & internment camps

    Cannon Clifford Cohu

    John Dauny

    Arthur Dimmery

    Louisa Gould

    Peter Bruce Johnson

    Frank Le Villio

    William Marsh

    John Whitley Nicolle

    Clarence Claude Painter

    Peter Edward Painter

    Marcel Rossi

    June Sinclair

    Joseph Tierney

    I have a booklet that lists much of the evidence required for these poor souls to be recognised so will publish more here over the coming weeks

    Chris
     
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  2. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    We also have

    John Soyer KIA whilst fighting with the French Resistance

    Edward Muels killed whilst being transported to Germany
     
  3. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    Are these people not listed in the WW2 Civilian Deaths on CWGC then Chris?
     
  4. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Paul

    that is correct - something I found amazing considering the material that is available on them

    Chris
     
  5. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

  6. Nelson_r32

    Nelson_r32 Junior Member

    Paul

    that is correct - something I found amazing considering the material that is available on them

    Chris

    I was just thinking the same thing. The documentation on each person individual is stunning.
     
  7. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    I have quite a few great war cases pending so will report back on this soon- however please can I say that we shoudnt be using these threads for discussion about the Channel Islands unless it is relevant to these poor souls memories - sorry dont mean to upset anyone

    Chris
     
  8. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Now able to make to some movement on this

    A consular DC has been found for Canon Cohu; a DC for Frank Le Villio has been found

    Many of the others were subject to Nacht & Nebel degree; they disappeared into the concentration camp system never to be seen again
     
  9. AndyBaldEagle

    AndyBaldEagle Very Senior Member

    Chris

    Good luck in your quest, I know how succesful you have been with the WW1 noncoms

    Regards
    Andy
     
  10. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    I suspect you may already know of the book 'Never To Be Forgotten' ISBN 0-9542669-8-6 by Joe Miere, but if you do not it would aid you greatly in your research.Jason
     
  11. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Thanks very much for the reference - that may be helpful
     
  12. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Have submitted Frank Le Villio for commemoration by the CWGC
     
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  13. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    Keep up the good work Chris it is a great thing you are doing regards, Jason.
     
  14. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Canon Cohu's death cert confirms his death in a German Prison
     
  15. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    The CWGC has 307 records where the Channel Islands is shown in their details (both military and civilians) The Gould family have 2 members, 1 aged 10 dying in Bad Warzach.

    I don't know if searching for Guernsey, Jersey etc will show up others, but it seems that there is another large group to be added.

    Well done Chris and wish you every success in this!
     
  16. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    I have now found proof of death for

    Louisa Gould - gassed at Ravensbruck

    The Painters

    John Nicolle
     
  17. Tony B

    Tony B Junior Member

    Please be very carful. The Channel island's are still very touchy about the Occupation. Those who were removed from their homes by the Nazi forces are remembered and commemarated in the Island's. This year is the sixty fifth anniversary of the Liberation May 9th. It is not a time of happy memories for all.You will be touching a very sensitive area. There are many in Jersey who have devoted their lives to such projects.
     
  18. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Sorry Tony I dont understand where you are coming from. All im doing is adding them to the CWGC Civilian Roll of Honour.
     
  19. Tony B

    Tony B Junior Member

    I'm coming from Jersey. a very strange place I'd be the first to say. The Channel Island's are not and never have been part of England. They are part of the British Crown ruled by the Monarch through the older title of the Duchy of Normandy. The CWWG has no representaion on the island. Many on the Island felt and still feel that Britian deseted them in 1940. For five years an armed forign power, the German's , ruled. This has left a lasting effect, as you may see from my comments.If you have never lived in such a closed community you will not understand. The people from the island who died in the concentration camps were not English. Those of English ancestery were already deported to the intenment camps. There were deaths there as well. Those of the island who died in camps are commemerated in the island by a memeorial outside the Ocupation Tapestery and Maritime meuseum on the New North quay, from which they departed. This may sound like a rant from a newcomer, it is not intended to be. But I hope it reveals who close to the surface the feelings are of many Crapaud's, even those not old enough to remember the exact times but whose life has ben influenced by those who did. Would French people be added to the memaorial? Churchill is not always considered a hero in the Islands. If you prefer to take this discussion to PM's I do not wish to fall foul of the moderators. There have been many 're-evaluations' of the Occupation by outsiders over the last few years, none have had the courtesy to contact anyone in the Island. For any information you may wish I'd suggest you look here. Occupation Memorial
     
  20. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Hi Tony and welcome to the forum.

    CWGC doesn't only remember English people, I prefer to use British myself (As I consider myself to be) so the Scottish, Irish and the Welsh are included:

    :: CWGC ::

    I suspect the Channel Islands fall under the criteria below:

    Established by Royal Charter in 1917, the Commonwealth War Graves Commission pays tribute to the 1,700,000 men and women of the Commonwealth forces who died in the two world wars. It is a non-profit-making organisation that was founded by Sir Fabian Ware.
     

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