Chindit 2 General maps, including Strongholds and Landing Grounds.

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  1. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    The approximate location of the Blackpool Stronghold West of Namkwin Railway Station. Taken from 92C. 92c 003.JPG
     
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  2. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    Indawgyi Lake to the west of the Blackpool stronghold. Mokso and Mokso Sakan highlighted. 92c 002.JPG
     
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  3. Hebridean Chindit

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    Blackpool was approx one full circle south-west of your mark... The capture from sat imagery shows the same river shape approx repeated in the map contained in Milner's book... both attached...
     

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  4. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    Thank you for putting me right. Blackpool.JPG
     
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  5. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    I drew up a map recently for a relative of a soldier who fought at Blackpool. They wanted to understand the line of withdrawal more than anything else.

    Blackpool Hinterland.jpg
     
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  6. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    New 003.JPG I am having trouble locating Point 2171 which does not appear to be marked on my 1/4 inch map. The general location,Taungni Bum has been circled.
     
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  7. Hebridean Chindit

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    That's about the right location... a peak slightly east of Point 2303... map is from CAB44-185, Barton's Narrative, part 4
     

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  8. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    By coincidence, I am including Major Blaker's VC action at Point 2171 in the latest edition of the Chindit Column newsletter.
     
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  9. mikky

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  10. Hebridean Chindit

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    Move over to between the two rivers and that was "Blackpool"...
    Good find, Mike... much crisper image... :D
     
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  11. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Yes, thanks Mike. With the White City image you can literally zoom right down onto the roof of the Pagoda. There seems to have been a good deal of development of the site around White City since I was there in 2008.
     
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  15. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    I was looking through Tony Redding's War in the Wilderness and came across this photograph captioned: "The Choice. This aerial photograph taken during an RAF sortie on 24th February 1944, contributed to the selection of the site for Blackpool Block". Thanks to Matt's memorable "mouth agape facing the snake's mouth" comment, I believe the photograph to be of Broadway, nor Blackpool. The photograph is also incorrectly orientated.

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  16. Hebridean Chindit

    Hebridean Chindit Lost in review...

    I think this image is Blackpool but reversed... Directorate 007ISTHISBLACKPOOL.JPG Blackpool arial 2 alt.jpg
     
  17. Matt Poole

    Matt Poole Member

    I beg to differ with Hebridean Chindit and High Wood. This Feb '44 recon image shows neither Broadway nor Blackpool. [EDIT: I'm wrong...it does show Blackpool. See later posting for updated graphics.]

    I've marked the two mouths agape on a piece of Mikky's satellite imagery offering for Broadway, flipped 180 degrees to best show a relationship between a watercourse on the left and a clearing on the right. I've also rotated the satellite image in four directions for comparison to the wartime recon shot. Nothing in common.

    Also, I sort of marked the main water channels on HC's image of Blackpool. I see nothing in common with the wartime image.

    Not sure what you meant by "reversed", HC, but even if the photo recon image were to be inverted, or flipped, horizontally or vertically, I see nothing in common with the satellite view of Blackpool which you posted. [EDIT: I now see that HC meant that the 1944 image needed to be rotated 180 degrees. See later graphic, where I did rotate the image 180 degrees to compare to modern satellite imagery.]

    SO...I don't know what area the wartime image shows.

    NOTE: Oops...because of size constraints, I don't think I can post all images at once. Too late to mess around with image sizes right now. Here, to start, are the four rotated satellite images of Broadway, showing the two mouths agape. Then, separately, I'll post the wartime image and HC's Blackpool image. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF I had posted the wartime photo recon image with one of the Broadway satellite photos, for ease in comparing. Oh well...I'm too tired to change things....zzzzzzzzz.
     

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  18. Matt Poole

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    Here are two versions of the Feb '44 photo recon image with my red lines on the only two watercourses that could even be considered as a "mouth agape", to me. Also, a bit of an outline around parts of clearings, which don't have the same shape as the Broadway clearing. I simply rotated one of them 180 degrees. Definitely not Broadway.

    And then I've added HC's satellite image of Blackpool, with the main waterways marked. There are no clearings in the trees at Blackpool, unlike what we see in the photo recon shot. Definitely not Blackpool.
     

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  19. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    This is the map that shows the mouth agape that I was referring to. I was assuming that the two large white patches in the reconnaissance photograph were the Broadway clearings.

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  20. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    681 Squadron appear to have flown four separate photographic reconnaissance flights on 24th February 1944. One in particular sortie might fit the bill.

    Aircraft type & No: Spitfire T. MB.899. Crew: F/Sgt. Ross. M. Duty: Photo reconnaissance. Time Up: 0800. Time Down: 0925. Time Up: 1120. Time Down:1520. Operation: P.R. of railway from MOGAUNG to NANA. Refuelled KUMBHIRGRAM set course for MOGAUNG. Did one long run over railway starting at NANTI and continuing on down to NANA. Did one run over INDAW East aerodrome and town and 2 runs over INDAW north. Set course KUMBHIRGRAM and then continued on to base. No opposition. No visual.

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