Cashiered / Dismissed

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  1. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    While digging around for various bits of info, I often notice entries in London Gazette related to Courts Martial but it was only today that I noticed a difference in wording:

    "is dismissed the Service by sentence of a General Court-Martial"
    "is Cashiered by sentence of a General Court-Martial"

    This is only one example of many showing both terms.
    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/35612/supplement/2863/data.pdf
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    Has anyone got an explanation for this usage of terminology, for what amounts to the same thing in layman's eyes?
    Were they merely interchangeable? Or, was there a difference in process, effect or criteria?
     
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  2. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

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  3. idler

    idler GeneralList

    Reading the post was a relief - thought you'd upset vP...
     
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  4. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    To the layman, yes there is little difference but 'Cashiered' means 'Dismissed with disgrace' and is a more severe punishment than 'Dismissed'.
    If anyone has a copy of the Court Martial manual this will fully explain the difference. I'm not entirely sure but I think 'Cashiered' only existed in the Army and that in the RN the punishment was actually specified as 'Dismissed with disgrace'.

    Tim
     
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  5. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    According to the Manual of Military Law 1929 "Cashiering is a more ignominious form of dismissal" - there is also a mention of "Discharge with ignominy"
     
  6. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    Armed Forces Act 1966
    (2) The punishment described in section 72(2)(c) of each of the said Acts as " discharge with ignominy from Her Majesty's service " shall henceforth be known as " dismissal with disgrace from Her Majesty's service ".

    Tim
     
  7. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    A selection from the newspapers of the Court Martial charges relating to officers being cashiered.

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  8. Pat Atkins

    Pat Atkins Patron Patron

    Interesting subject for a linguist, thanks folks. Also great to see use of a word like "defalcation", which I freely admit I had to look up!
     
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  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I did too. :unsure:
    Though only after the initial image that sprung to mind.

    Terry-Thomas-1958.jpg

    Cashiered officers could be a fascinating field.
    Don't recall it coming up much, other than the occasional cause célèbre.
     
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  10. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Thanks for all the replies. Very helpful.

    Before starting the thread, I'd searched for a definition but none were particularly insightful as regards the mechanics of it all.

    Cashiering - Wikipedia
    Wiki suggests that historically there was also a financial consequence - at least in a time when some bought their commissions.


    So, without really knowing what the difference is regarding criteria, etc: in general terms cashiered is a greater level of disgrace.



    Joe Brown sat on a few C-M's, if memory serves me right. Yet another instance of missing his input.
     
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  11. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I tried looking up the etymology of it, but not much joy in the usual places.
    Cashiered does sound like it'll have some origin associated with the value of commissions. No refund...

    Though, looking again, some of the etymologies link the word to Dutch/French Kasseren/Casser. 'Break up', implying more connection with breaking their sword.
     
  12. Welchchap

    Welchchap Member

    Cashiered also meant no futher government employment including council and utilitys employment.
    The one exception to this is conscription back into the ranks under the 1916 act. I'm not sure about further consciption acts but makes sense to keep that clause.
     
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