Car boot sale find

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  1. vespa100

    vespa100 Member

    The only thing I found today at the car boot sale 20171126_084238.jpg 20171126_084215.jpg 20171126_084247.jpg
     
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  2. Staffsyeoman

    Staffsyeoman Member

    87th (1st West Lancashire) Field Brigade, RA TF - nice. Better than all those duds with stuck on badges!!
     
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  3. vespa100

    vespa100 Member

    Thanks Staff great information
     
  4. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    That's a great bugle. Reminded me to get on the case of a chap at work. He came across one for not much coin. About £5.00 if memory serves me correct? A Battalion of one of the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders. The only thing is, HIS WIFE HAS PUT IT SOME-WHERE & SHE CANT remember.It may well not be has original has that.

    Stu.
     
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  5. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    I wonder if the 87th (1st West Lancashire) Field Brigade, RA TF was an antecedent of the 87th Field Regiment Royal Artillery (T.A.) based at Wellington Road Barracks, Wavertree, Liverpool in 1939.

    Liverpool Evening Express 20th April 1939
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  6. vespa100

    vespa100 Member

    I paid £7 for it not thinking it could be a original it was just lying on the floor. I need to do more research on the maker, it would be nice to try and date it
     
  7. vespa100

    vespa100 Member

    Hi Guy it was brought at a Liverpool car boot sale
     
  8. vespa100

    vespa100 Member

    Would anyone clean this or leave it?
     
  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Found this on Ancestry message board

    My Gt-Gt Grandfather was Roger John Ward who started the musical instrument business in Liverpool, They traded from 4, 10, 12, and 18 St Anne street. It was RJ Ward and Sons. this business was still trading in the 1930's. The eldest son Edward did also have a musical instrument business in St Ann Street so could this be the business that your relation served his apprentiship in? Edward died in April 1920.I expect that would be when that business closed.

    R.J. WARD & SONS VINTAGE SOLID ROSEWOOD CLARINET LIVERPOOL LATE 1800's #425 | eBay

    Maybe check out e-bob

    TD
     
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  10. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    Wrexham Guardian and Denbighshire and Flintshire Advertiser 5th March 1870
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  11. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    That could be tricky. Some say yes, some say no. I would leave it for the time being. It belongs in a Museum. Let them decide if you can manage to get it to one.

    This information may be has much use has a bag of spanners, but there is a book out that is called 'THE ROSE & THE ARROW'
    136th (1st WEST LANCASHIRE) FIELD REGIMENT, R.A. 39-35. 338 pages. No author, or who its published by. Its going for £30.
    Lets hope we can get it where it belongs.

    Regards
    Stu.
     
  12. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    I would wait just now. You will need to be sure of the metal before attempting to clean, especially as there is a fair amount of verdigris present. Lovely find though.
     
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  13. Staffsyeoman

    Staffsyeoman Member

    That verdigris will need removing if nothing else. The metal will be brass?
     
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  14. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    and or Copper

    TD
     
  15. papiermache

    papiermache Well-Known Member

    Great find. You could try the Horniman Museum for advice on preservation/cleaning:

    "You can contact us by telephone - call 020 8699 1872.
    Horniman Museum and Gardens, 100 London Road, Forest Hill, London, SE23 3PQ

    There's an email address : see their website.
     
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  16. Mike L

    Mike L Very Senior Member

    Nice find.
    I don't know much about bugles but would I be right to say the mouthpiece tube is missing?
    These are often fixed with a wing nut type clamp used for tuning and the mouthpiece fits in the end of the tube.
    Might be difficult to find a similar type/condition tube if this one is indeed missing but it could well be worth looking for one.
     
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  17. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Another nice find.
    Regards
    Tom
     
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  18. vespa100

    vespa100 Member

    Yes Mike the mouth piece is missing which is a shame the chain is still there 20171127_055819.jpg
     
  19. Mike L

    Mike L Very Senior Member

    Vespa, not sure if that is where the mouthpiece fits or the short 'tuning' tube that the mouthpiece fits into. It looks slightly short just to put the mouthpiece into directly. That is a bit more of a problem unfortunately - any bugle mouthpiece should fit but the tuning tube might be difficult to find if it needs one. Worth asking a bugler or a music shop their opinion.
     
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  20. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

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