Captured Ammo and equipment

Discussion in 'Weapons, Technology & Equipment' started by raf, Jun 7, 2006.

  1. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    As Owen's started a new thread to find more on cuckoo at Rouen I jus thought I'd pull this one back to Captured gear in general with a strange hybrid captured and converted item (again inspired by another thread...)
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    http://members.tripod.com/fingolfen/captured/t34quad.html
    t34 with quad Flak38 mounted, not unlike the recent pic of one on a captured carrier. (which I now can't find....)

    Such conversions aren't really in the same category as 'normal' captures are they? More an improvement to your own units gear using available local materials.
     

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  2. Owen

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  3. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Some evidence that the Red Army wasn't completely averse to using captured equipment, maybe purely propaganda shots but I suspect not, not the kind of 'Our equipment is the finest' message Stalin liked to distribute.:)

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  4. Owen

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    More herehttp://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz4.htm
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    Captured Panther being inspected by Soviet soldiers and officers.
    Soviet soldiers painted the name TIGER on the front armor plate and first three letters TIG (in Russian) are visible. In 1943/44, to the ordinary Soviet troops all German Panzers were known as "Tigers" and all assault guns as "Ferdinands", while all German soldiers as "Fritz" or "Gans".
    Photo and information provided by Dmitry Pyatakhin.
     
  5. Owen

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    Lieutenant Sotnikov's Panther Ausf A, Poland, 1945.
    Photo and information provided by Dmitry Pyatakhin.

    Since 1943, Soviets captured some number of various variants of Panther, which equipped some of their tank units such as Lieutenant Sotnikov's Guard Company. This unit used captured Panthers as late as spring of 1945, when they had 3 Ausf As, while operating in Prague (Praga) - district of Warsaw. Soviets held Panthers in high regard and considered captured Panther to be a prize. Captured Panthers were then given to successful crews as a kind of reward. In order to keep them running captured German mechanics were pressed into service and in 1944, Panther's manual was printed in Russian for distribution among tank crews. Captured vehicles temporarily remained in their original colors but with markings of their new owners. Later, some were repainted in dark green and were marked with large tactical markings and white stars for indentification purposes.

    "It is suggested to the Red Army to use such German tanks as StuG III and Pz IV due to their relability and availability of spare parts. The new German Panther and Tiger can be used until they broken down without trying to repair them. They have bad engines, transmission and suspension." - Department of Weaponry of the Red Army, late 1944.
     
  6. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I love the idea of them being 'a reward'.:)
    "Well done Komerad!, Stalin say's you can have one of these to play with!"
    Wonder what life was like for the German maintainence crews..
     
  7. Owen

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    Onto captured softskins. Bit here on DiggerHistory.
    http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-equip/italian-vehicles.htm


    This cracks me up.How many times can the author use the word "captured".:)
    1940-12-13. Tummar- captured Italian diesel lorries were very useful for carrying captured Italian food to captured Italian soldiers. Fortunately the Italians left behind a large quantity of oil for these lorries, which we proceeded to capture also. (photographed by F. Hurley).
     
  8. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Funnily enough I'd just this morning been reading of the Aussies Lancia and Fiat trucks captured at Bardia,
    captured, captured, captured definitely the right way to look at it:
    120 tanks.
    400 Artillery pieces.
    650 Trucks.
    40,000 prisoners.

    Great book so far:
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    (by the way, sorry Owen, hadn't really registered that your Rouen thread wasn't really on Cuckoo but other captured French Panthers/Tigers existence or not)
     
  9. Desert Dog

    Desert Dog Member

    And don't forget how many CMP's the Germans captured during Battleaxe and the fall of Tobruk
     
  10. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

  11. Gerry Chester

    Gerry Chester WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Not ammo but not too far removed from the topic:

    At the end of hostilities in Tunisia, the large numbers of abandoned German and Italian vehicles where everywhere to be found, become a hunting-ground for each tank crew seeking personal transportation. Dick Hayward (Bangor's driver) and I came across a beautiful Bugatti Open Tourer only to find, on opening the bonnet, the distributor cap to be non-existant. After searching in vain for the cap we eventually settled for Lancia diesel powered open-deck lorry which Dick, being the expert mechanic he was, fine-tuned the engine. The fun our crew had, swanning around Northern Tunisia, was not lessened when later we discovered that "our" Bugatti had been salvaged by another tank crew.

    Alas, the use of personal transport ended two weeks later when the Army Command issued orders that 'ALL' Axis vehicles, by a certain date, had to be handed in. Taking the order literally, before the deadline, the Bugatti became a British vehicle when it was repainted, appropriately numbered and ceremoniously presented to the OC for his personal use. The car stayed with the Squadron while in Africa but I cannot recall whether it was, in fact, shipped to Italy.

    Cheers, Gerry
     
  12. lancesergeant

    lancesergeant Senior Member

    Gerry, have been reading an obituary for Major Shand MC - the Duchess of Cornwall's father. It said that he trained the North Irish Horse for a time - did you meet him on your travels.
     
  13. Gerry Chester

    Gerry Chester WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Gerry, have been reading an obituary for Major Shand MC - the Duchess of Cornwall's father. It said that he trained the North Irish Horse for a time - did you meet him on your travels.
    Hi,

    I did not get to meet him. He together with two other Lieutenants from 12th Royal Lancers were attached for training 5th May 1940, while the NIH was still in Northern Ireland. The three of them returned to their unit before the regiment left for England where I was posted to it.

    If the obit is available I would love to read it.

    All the best, Gerry
     
  14. Gerry Chester

    Gerry Chester WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Hi,

    ".......I did not get to meet him. He together with two other Lieutenants from 12th Royal Lancers were attached for training 5th May 1940......."


    5th August not May! Apologies for that.
     
  15. Owen

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  16. David Layne

    David Layne Well-Known Member

    Here's a bunch of stuff we captured in 1969 near Phu Loi. We loaded them up into a deuce and a half and took them back to base. The picture on the right is me behind a big Chicom cannon I am not sure what I am holding. The picture on the left is of two of my pals who's names I forget (Hey its been a long time). You can see the rear of the cannon again and other weapons we took. I do recall one was a Mauser, with a swastika imprint on it. Any of you weapons experts able to identify these weapons?



    Reading this post again some months later I see my pictures have disapppeared so am replacing them.
     

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  17. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    Here's a bunch of stuff we captured in 1969 near Phu Loi. We loaded them up into a deuce and a half and took them back to base. The picture on the right is me behind a big Chicom cannon I am not sure what I am holding. The picture on the left is of two of my pals who's names I forget (Hey its been a long time). You can see the rear of the cannon again and other weapons we took. I do recall one was a Mauser, with a swastika imprint on it. Any of you weapons experts able to identify these weapons?


    Interesting. The SMG looks like an MP40, no mag, but the barrel seems to have some sort of perforated cooling cover. Things rings a bell but I cant place it.

    EDIT: nah ive changed my mid its not an MP40 the stock is rong and isnt the cocking handle on the right?????
     

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    Here's a bunch of stuff we captured in 1969 near Phu Loi. We loaded them up into a deuce and a half and took them back to base. The picture on the right is me behind a big Chicom cannon I am not sure what I am holding. The picture on the left is of two of my pals who's names I forget (Hey its been a long time). You can see the rear of the cannon again and other weapons we took. I do recall one was a Mauser, with a swastika imprint on it. Any of you weapons experts able to identify these weapons?


    The other Weopen looks like an AK47 varient to me. The barrel raised sights and over barrel gas return look classic.
     

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  19. David Layne

    David Layne Well-Known Member

    Yes would be an AK for sure as I kept one! Traded it later. There would be an SKS there also.
     
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