Captain T.R. Hodgson Army Dental Service

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  1. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Hello everyody,

    I wonder if somone with a subscription to ancestry or similar could look up a possible date of death for Capt. Hodgson:



    128124 Captain T R Hodgson

    Army Dental Corps attd 19th Indian Field Ambulance

    home address: Stanger Street, Keswick

    confirmed POW 11 Sep 1942

    Camp in WO 392/21 is PG 59 Servigliano, Marche, Italy.

    He does not appear in WO 392 /1 as being POW in Germany hence:

    he died whilst POW or he escaped

    He is not in CWGC's OFFICIAL RECORDS but they have told me that a paper in the grave of an unknown POW, exhumed from San Severino Marche Civil Cemetery and transferred to Ancona War Cemetery, contained the words Captain Hodgson.

    Thanks,

    Vitellino
     
  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Do you mean this man

    UK, British Prisoners of War, 1939-1945
    Name: T R Hodgson
    Rank: Captain
    Army Number: 128124
    Regiment: Army Dental Corps
    POW Number: 1241
    Camp Type: Oflag
    Camp Number: 79
    Camp Location: Brunswick, Lower Saxony

    TD
     
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  3. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    He appears on Army Lists, from 1940 to 1945

    Name:
    T. R. Hodgson
    Military Year: 1945
    Regiment: The Army Dental Corps
    Rank: Lieutenant
     
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  5. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    Looks as if he survived.
    Casualty List 925 (Officers) shows him as POW. Previously shown as Missing on Casualty List 881 (Western Desert).
    Casualty List 1772 (Officers) shows him as Previously reported POW in German Hands (Germany) now not POW.

    Tim
     
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  6. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Trying to find BMD records, in the meantime:

    The Penrith Observer, Tuesday, July 28, 1942
    Captain T R Hodgson of the Army Dental Corps, attached to the 19th Indian Field Ambulance, one of the twins of the late Mr and Mrs T R Hodgson, Keswick, is reported missing in the Middle East. After xxx (can't read) and a half years at the Glasgow Dental College he volunteered in 1939.

    Possibly a brother
    The Lancashire Daily Post, Wednesday, April 11, 1945
    Capt W F (Barty) Hodgson, MC, Airborne Troops, who won the MC on D Day, and is the son of the late Mr and Mrs T R Hodgson, of Keswick, was reported missing last month, but has now written to his wife at Keswick that he is safe, but wounded. He was wounded and taken prisoner in Holland, but was only a prisoner for two or three days. British troops released him when they pushed into Holland, and he received attention from a British doctor.

    William F Hodgson | ParaData

    Dundee Evening Telegraph, Tuesday, November 9,1943
    German Overseas News Agency today named Dr A R Duff, of Arbroath, as one of a number of British Officers with whom their war correspondent spoke when visiting a prison camp at Frosinone in Central Italy. Other officers mentioned were Captain T R Hodgson, of Keswick (Cumberland), and Lieut T M Park, of Glasgow. They had been "recaptured after they had been released by the Italians."
     
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  7. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Recommendation for Award for Hodgson, William Frederick Rank: Lieutenant ... | The National Archives

    Chasing through family trees, mothers maiden names etc etc the one person I come up with that seems to fit the bill is

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Thomas Robinson Hodgson
    Death Age: 78
    Birth Date: 8 Oct 1917
    Registration Date: Sep 1996
    Registration district: Birkenhead
    Inferred County: Merseyside
    Register Number: C24B
    District and Subdistrict: 0371C

    No Guarantee as yet

    TD
     
  8. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Tricky, maybe but what about:

    William F Hodgson, birth Q1 1921, Cockermouth. mother's maiden name Black
    Thomas R Hodgson, birth Q4 1917, Cockermouth, MMN Black

    EDIT Possible death now removed as believed incorrect.

    Pure speculation at present, still looking.

    Edit:
    Thomas Robinson Hodgson married Susanna Black 28 June 1908, Crosthwaite, Cockermouth,
    Still speculation
     
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  9. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    1911 Census, 1 Stanger Street, Keswick (same address as in post #1)
    Thomas Robinson Hodgson, age 29, Builder, born Keswick
    Susanna Hodgson, age 31, born Armagh
    Harold Robinson Hodgson, age 1, born Keswick

    From newspaper article Thomas Robinson Hodgson of Stanger Street died in 1936
     
  10. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Vitellino

    EDIT: IGNORE THIS POST - NOW BELIEVED INCORRECT

    The best I can come up with is as post #8

    Name: Thomas Hodgson
    Death Age: 81
    Birth Date: 12 Mar 1917
    Registration Date: Feb 1999
    Registration district: Carlisle
    Inferred County: Cumbria
    Register Number: A58E
    District and Subdistrict: 3751A

    There is a possible probate record:
    Surname HODGSON
    First name THOMAS
    Date of probate 03 March 1999
    Probate number 87896
    Date of death 13 February 1999
    Document type Grant and will
    Registry Newcastle Upon Tyne

    Happy for people to disagree.
     
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  11. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Thank you everybody.

    I think it is safe to say that he didn't die on 26 April 1944, the date of death of the person buried under his name in
    Ancona War Cemetery. I am happy with a date of death as above and the registration district as Carlisle.

    Casualty List 1772 (Officers) shows him as Previously reported POW in German Hands (Germany) now not POW

    Tim, do you have a date for when he was 'now not POW'? If he was in German hands that signifies that at some stage he had been taken from Italy to Germany following the Armistice of 8 September 1943, and this ties in with him being held in Offlag 79.

    Vitellino
     
  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    They would seem to fit nicely
    TD
     
  13. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    List 925 is dated 10 September 1942
    List 1772 is dated 2 June 1945
     
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  14. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    OK, have started to put this down on paper and noticed that the birth dates for Thomas R Hodgson in my posts #8 and #10 don't tie up.

    I therefore defer to Tricky's post #7 (should I have ever doubted him?) and think that a birth date of 8 Oct 1917 and death Sept 1996 in Birkenhead is the more likely. Looking at the probate records he died 15 September 1996, probate Liverpool.

    Still trying to find something that would prove conclusively.

    Sorry for the confusion.
     
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  15. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Thank you TD and Tony56.

    Much as I would like to know that exact date of Capt. Hodgson's death it is already reassuring to know that he survived and is not the unknown servoiceman buried in either plot I.M.16 or I M.17 in Ancona War Cemetery.

    The question I for which I shall never have an answer is: who used Capt. Hodgson's name instead of his own, and was known as such by the locals who buried him after he had been shot by the nazi-fascists?

    Vitellino
     

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