Captain P.N. Stuart of the 2nd SAS Regiment

Discussion in 'Special Forces' started by JJHH, Feb 28, 2012.

  1. JJHH

    JJHH Member

    Was attached to Jedburgh team Gambling and dropped into Holland in Operation Keystone in 1945. Does anyone have his first name?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. JJHH

    JJHH Member

    Nobody?
     
  3. Pieter F

    Pieter F Very Senior Member

    I don't have his first name, I am sorry. But do you have any info on Operation Keystone? I am researching a casualty, which died in this operation: Sapper John Keeble. He was killed by accident by a Dutch resistance group.
     
  4. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron

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  5. Pieter F

    Pieter F Very Senior Member

    Yes, I have seen that one. But what I do want to know, is what their exact orders were.
     
  6. JJHH

    JJHH Member

    Still looking for Stuart's first name! Anyone??

    Getting quite frustrated about it, he's the only person in my manuscript who doesn't have a first name!

    @ Pieter: if you want to know more about Keeble, send me a private message.

    Groeten,
    JJHH
     
  7. AndyBaldEagle

    AndyBaldEagle Very Senior Member

    JJHH- Drop Jedburgh22 a PM, he may be able to help.

    Pieter

    If you can wait a while I have copied a few SAS files this week, and also have Keystone files amongst them - if you can give me sometime I can forward what I have in due course (please PM me your email address)

    Regards

    Andy
     
  8. JJHH

    JJHH Member

    up!
     
  9. JJHH

    JJHH Member

    Still don't have his first name.
     
  10. TomTAS

    TomTAS Very Senior Member

    Hi JJHH,

    Like Andy says we both have copies of this file so will check, but most of the time you don't get first names only surnames...

    Cheers
    Tom
    PS Just checked and was right no first names on this file... If fact couldn't even find a Stuart
     
  11. JJHH

    JJHH Member

    Hi JJHH,

    Like Andy says we both have copies of this file so will check, but most of the time you don't get first names only surnames...

    Cheers
    Tom
    PS Just checked and was right no first names on this file... If fact couldn't even find a Stuart

    Ok! Thanks much for looking. What first name shall we give him then?;)
     
  12. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Hello JJHH

    Peter Norman

    Phillip Norman

    Paul Norman

    hopefully another member might have a trawl through and get the correct name


    regards
    Clive
     
  13. JJHH

    JJHH Member

    Hello JJHH

    Peter Norman

    Phillip Norman

    Paul Norman

    hopefully another member might have a trawl through and get the correct name


    regards
    Clive

    What about Paul Newman?;)
     
  14. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    I was wondering if anyone could find out his fathers name, maybe he has the same first name? (We do have some guys on here who are good at genealogy!)

    Lesley
     
  15. JJHH

    JJHH Member

    Up....
     
  16. David Woods

    David Woods Member

    Peter Molyneux Stuart (158471), 2nd Lieutenant 1944, The Devonshire Regiment
     
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  17. Richard Lewis

    Richard Lewis Member

    Well done David. Don't ever let these old threads go to sleep! To confirm here's a couple of pages from the London Gazette which are probably what you found.

    p.s. No P N Stuart (or Stewart) listed in Army List of April 1945.

    Stuart1.JPG

    Stuart2.JPG
     
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  18. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    For the Attention of JJHH, in connection with his excellent book "Dutch Courage" and regarding Lieut. P.N. Stuart (with apologies for only passing this information to you now, some years after your initial inquiries). Perhaps any future updated version of your book may include any such information (only if you would wish of course)

    An unfortunate consequence of Keystone and in it's immediate aftermath was the RTU'ing of Peter Stuart (along with Pct. Craig from the parachute party of Keystone). The instruction to RTU both men was issued by Lt. Col. Franks on 26th April 1945, and was done with by 28th April. The reasons for the RTU of these two chaps I've not yet got to the bottom of.
    My current thoughts are, without meaning or I hope causing any upset or controversy, that there were operational issues observed by Capt. Holland in relation to Lieut. Stuart and Pct. Craig that could not be overlooked. If nothing else these examples of RTU'ing SAS men during wartime show that The Regiment would not baulk at removing men (that they could ill afford to at this stage of the war) when they determined that operational standards were likely not maintained.
     
  19. Peter Chitty

    Peter Chitty Member

    The other half showed me all her Grandads war stuff today. Quick search brought me to this thread. Hope this is of some use even if the conversation has concluded regarding Cpt Stuart.
     

    Attached Files:

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  20. David Woods

    David Woods Member

    Peter Molyneux Stuart (158471), The Devonshire Regiment

    The London Gazette
    9th Sept. 1944 from R.A. to Devon R.
    6th Nov. 1944 from Devon R. to S.A.S.R.

    The London Gazette
    Publication Date 1 January 1946
    The London Gazette, Supplement 37419, Page 238

    S.A.S.R.
    The notifn. regarding War Subs. Lt. P. M. Stuart (158471) in Gazette (Supplement) dated 1st Dec. 1944, is cancelled.

    I believe that the notification above means that Lt. P. M. Stuart (158471) was not commissioned into the S.A.S.R. on the 6th Nov. 1944 and therefore
    remained an officer of the Devon R., who was attached to or attending the S.A.S.R. Making the following entries in the Army List incorrect:

    S.A.S.R. Jan. 1945
    S.A.S.R. Apr. 1945
    S.A.S.R. Jul. 1945
    S.A.S.R. Oct. 1945
    S.A.S.R. Jan. 1946

    He is listed with the Devon R. as below:

    Devon R. Apr. 1946
    Devon R. Aug. 1946
    Devon R. Dec. 1946

    He is listed with the R.A. up to Oct. 1944.

    Given that Lt. P. M. Stuart (158471) was R.T.U'd on the 28th April, 1945, as stated in a previous post, I must assume that he was returned to his home unit. I therefore have to wonder why the Army Lists took so long to show him removed from the S.A.S.R. list and placed on the Devon R. list?
    Whatever he did, it was not a court-martial offence.
     

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