Canadian Military Headquarters, London at Heritage Canadiana

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  1. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    Has anyone worked with the CMHQ files at Heritage Canadiana? I am interested to see if there are any Location Statements, Orders of Battle, Reorganization Charts, etc. among this mass of files. Random searches of the files have so far produced mediocre results and seem to be concerned with equipment mostly.

    Any help with these files would be appreciated.
     
  2. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian researcher

    I am in peripheral contact with someone trying to look through them but I don't think they have gotten very far. It's a staggering number of documents!
     
  3. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    Thanks, Chris. Let me know if you find anything.
     
  4. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian researcher

    What units you were interested in? I seem to recall finding the "G" files for First Canadian Army HQ and I wonder if that would suit you.
     
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  5. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    Chris:

    I have identified the locations of the First Army, 1st Corps, and 2nd Corps GS and AQ files. I have found location statements and orders of battle within these, but I would think that CMHQ would have a bigger picture for location statements and orders of battle. All Army, Corps and Division location statements would be submitted to CMHQ and these should be in there somewhere. Also there should be files regarding reorganizations. I have attached one I found in the 1946 Army Central Registry regarding the reorganization of the RCCS during December 1942 to March 1943. I would think this type of file would be there someplace. RCCS01.jpg RCCS02.jpg RCCS03.jpg
     
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  6. Pronto91

    Pronto91 Canadian Signals Researcher

    Dryan67,

    Great you should pick an RCCS example, those are what I'd want! What was the reference for the pages you posted?

    CMHQ issued Administrative Orders that have details on unit/formation creations, reorganizations, disbandments and reallocations. Not location data though... They were attached to the AG Branch War Diaries and were found in RG24 Vol 13409 (Sep 1939) to Vol 13490 (Feb 1947). Below is an example. I'm not sure if they've been digitized and/or are on Heritage Canadiana. I am hoping so because I missed some I need and I don't relish going through 82 boxes again....

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  7. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    Thanks for the information. I’ll get back to you tomorrow regarding the reference to the RCCS docs I posted. I will also see if the volumes you mentioned are on Heritage Canadiana.
     
  8. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    I have been exploring the CMHQ files at Heritage Canadiana (Canadian Military Headquarters, London - Héritage) and I have found the following sections, which may be of some interest to some users. They fall under the categories PROGRESS REPORTS and FORMATIONS. I have listed the reels, page numbers, and sections below. There are quite a few orders of battle among both the Progress Reports and Formations. The Progress Reports Canadian Army Programme detail changes in the Canadian Army from March 1941 until the end of the war and also include home orders of battle.

    T-17987 - p. 255 4/PROGRESS/1 - Progress reports, CMHQ (Canadian Military Headquarters) - 1940/02-1940/09

    T-17987 - p. 464 4/PROGRESS/1/2 - Progress reports, CMHQ (Canadian Military Headquarters) - 1940/09-1941/03

    T-17987 - p. 726 4/PROGRESS/1/3 - Progress reports, CMHQ (Canadian Military Headquarters) - 1941/03-1942/01

    T-17987 - p. 1185 4/PROGRESS/1/4 - Progress reports, CMHQ (Canadian Military Headquarters) - 1942/01-1942/10

    T-17987 - p. 1609 4/PROGRESS/1/5 - Progress reports, CMHQ (Canadian Military Headquarters) - 1942/10-1944/02

    T-17988 - p. 82 4/PROGRESS/1/6 - Progress reports, CMHQ (Canadian Military Headquarters) - 1944/02-1945/04

    T-17988 - p. 459 4/PROGRESS/1/7 - Progress reports, CMHQ (Canadian Military Headquarters) - 1945/04-1946/08

    T-17988 - p. 870 4/PROGRESS/1/8 - Progress reports, CMHQ (Canadian Military Headquarters) - 1946/08-1947/02



    T-17988 - p. 947 4/PROGRESS/2 - Progress reports - Canadian Corps - 1940/02-1942/02

    T-17988 - p. 1398 4/PROGRESS/2/2 - Progress reports - Canadian Corps - 1942/02-1942/06



    T-17988 - p. 1470 4/PROGRESS/3 - Progress reports - 2nd Can Div (2nd Canadian Division) - 1940/08-1940/12



    T-17988 - p. 1508 4/PROGRESS/4 - Progress reports - CDN (Canadian) Army Programme - 1941/03-1941/10

    T-17989 - p. 49 4/PROGRESS/4/2 - Progress reports - CDN (Canadian) Army Programme - 1941/10-1942/01

    T-17989 - p. 429 4/PROGRESS/4/3 - Progress reports - CDN (Canadian) Army Programme - 1942/01-1942/06

    T-17989 - p. 809 4/PROGRESS/4/4 - Progress reports - CDN (Canadian) Army Programme - 1942/06-1942/09

    T-17989 - p. 1026 4/PROGRESS/4/4 - Progress reports - CDN (Canadian) Army Programme - 1942/06-1942/09

    T-17989 - p. 1244 4/PROGRESS/4/5 - Progress reports - CDN (Canadian) Army Programme - 1942/09/-1942/11

    T-17989 - p. 1502 4/PROGRESS/4/6 - Progress reports - CDN (Canadian) Army Programme - 1942/10/-1942/12

    T-17989 - p. 1884 4/PROGRESS/4/7 - Progress reports - CDN (Canadian) Army Programme - 1942/12-1943/03

    T-17990 - p. 398 4/PROGRESS/4/8 - Progress reports - CDN (Canadian) Army Programme - 1943/02-1943/05

    T-17990 - p. 834 4/PROGRESS/4/9 - Progress reports - CDN (Canadian) Army Programme - 1943/04-1943/08

    T-17990 - p. 1432 4/PROGRESS/4/10 - Progress reports - CDN (Canadian) Army Programme - 1943/08-1943/11

    T-17991 - p. 41 4/PROGRESS/4/11 - Progress reports - CDN (Canadian) Army Programme - 1943/11-1944/01

    T-17991 - p. 519 4/PROGRESS/4/12 - Progress reports - CDN (Canadian) Army Programme - 1944/01-1944/10

    T-17991 - p. 909 4/PROGRESS/4/13 - Progress reports - CDN (Canadian) Army Programme - 1944/11/1946/02



    T-17991 - p. 1249 4/PROGRESS/5 - Progress reports - A Branch, CMHQ (Canadian Military Headquarters) - 1941/04-1943/02

    T-17991 - p. 1600 4/PROGRESS/5 - Progress reports - A Branch, CMHQ (Canadian Military Headquarters) - 1943/01-1943/10

    T-17992 - p. 10 4/PROGRESS/5/2 - Progress reports - A Branch, CMHQ (Canadian Military Headquarters) - 1943/02-1944/03

    T-17992 - p. 334 4/PROGRESS/5/3 - Progress reports - A Branch, CMHQ (Canadian Military Headquarters) - 1944/03-1945/05



    T-17992 - p. 398 4/PROGRESS/6 - Progress reports - AJAG (Assistant Judge Advocate General) Branch - 1940/12-1942/02

    T-17992 - p. 837 4/PROGRESS/6/2 - Progress reports - AJAG (Assistant Judge Advocate General) Branch - 1942/02-1942/08

    T-17992 - p. 1270 4/PROGRESS/6/3 - Progress reports - AJAG (Assistant Judge Advocate General) Branch - 1942/08-1942/11

    T-17992 - p. 1677 4/PROGRESS/6/4 - Progress reports - JAG (Judge Advocate General) Branch - 1942/11-1945/02



    T-17993 - p. 104 4/PROGRESS/7 - Progress reports - RCOC (Royal Canadian Ordnance Corps) Instructional Wing - 1941/04-1942/10



    T-17993 - p. 165 4/PROGRESS/8 - Progress reports - CAO (Command accountant officer) monthly report for Dominions office - 1941/10-1942/09



    T-17993 - p. 203 4/PROGRESS/9 - Progress reports - 1 AA BDE (Anti-Aircraft Brigade) - 1942/01-1942/12



    T-17993 - p. 541 4/PROGRESS/10 - Progress reports - Military Intelligence Section - 1942/05-1944/09

    T-17993 - p. 862 4/PROGRESS/10/2 - Progress reports - Military Intelligence Section - 1944/10-1946/11



    T-17993 - p. 1063 4/PROGRESS/11 - Progress reports - 1st Canadian Army - 1942/06-1944/03

    T-17993 - p. 1474 4/PROGRESS/11/2 - Progress reports - 1st Canadian Army - 1944/03-1945/12



    T-17993 - p. 1649 4/PROGRESS/13 - Progress reports - CDN (Canadian) Women’s Army Corps - 1942/08-1946/05



    T-17993 - p. 1853 4/PROGRESS/14 - Progress reports - 2nd Echelon - 21 Army GP (Group) - 1944/04-1945/03

    T-17994 - p. 382 4/PROGRESS/14/2 - Progress reports - 2nd Echelon - 21 Army GP (Group) - 1945/04-1946/02

    T-17994 - p. 691 4/PROGRESS/14/3 - Progress reports - 2nd Echelon - 21 Army GP (Group) - 1946/03-1946/06



    T-17994 - p. 791 4/PROGRESS RETS/1/1 - Weekly statistical returns - CDN (Canadian) Army Program - 1944/01-1944/05

    T-17994 - p. 1224 4/PROGRESS RETS/1/2 - Weekly statistical returns - CDN (Canadian) Army Program - 1944/06-1944/11

    T-17994 - p. 1613 4/PROGRESS RETS/1/3 - Weekly statistical returns - CDN (Canadian) Army Program - 1944/10-1944/12

    ENDS at p. 1729


    T-17995 - p. 245 4/PROGRESS RETS/1/4 - Weekly statistical returns - CDN (Canadian) Army Program - 1945/01-1945/04

    T-17995 - p. 530 4/PROGRESS RETS/1/5 - Weekly statistical returns - CDN (Canadian) Army Program - 1945/04-1945/10

    T-17995 - p. 1077 4/PROGRESS RETS/1/6 - Weekly statistical returns - CDN (Canadian) Army Program - 1945/11-1946/08

    ENDS at p. 1588 (p. 958 for 31 Aug 1945)
     
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  9. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    T-17520 - p.1364 1/FORMATIONS/1 - Allocation of Canadian troops to higher formations - 1940/01-1940/02

    T-17520 - p.1453 1/FORMATIONS/1/2 - Allocation of Canadian troops to higher formations - 1939/10-1943/05

    T-17520 - p.1583 1/FORMATIONN/3 - Employment - Canadian troops, higher formations - Political and financial aspect - 1940/02-1940/07

    T-17520 - p.1676 1/FORMATIONS/4 - Composition and order of battle CDN (Canadian) Corps - 1940/04-1940/04

    T-17520 - p.1760 1/FORMATIONS/4/2 - Composition and order of battle CDN (Canadian) Corps - 1940/05-1940/07

    T-17520 - p.1807 1/FORMATIONS/4/3 - Composition and order of battle CDN (Canadian) Corps - 1940/05-1940/10

    T-17828 - p. 91 1/FORMATIONS/4/4 - Composition and order of battle CDN (Canadian) Corps - 1940/10-1941/01

    T-17828 - p. 248 1/FORMATIONS/4/5 - Composition and order of battle CDN (Canadian) Corps - 1941/01-1941/07

    T-17828 - p. 594 1/FORMATIONS/4/6 - Policy re provision field force units, CAOS (Canadian Army Overseas) - 1941/07-1942/02

    T-17828 - p. 1016 1/FORMATIONS/4/7 - Policy re provision field force units, CAOS (Canadian Army Overseas) - 1942/03-1942/06

    T-17828 - p. 1274 1/FORMATIONS/5 - Proposed formation - 7th BR Corps, HQ (Headquarters) - 1940/07-1940/08

    T-17828 - p. 1313 1/FORMATIONS/6 - Order of Battle - CDN (Canadian) Corps - 1940/07-1942/01

    T-17828 - p. 1693 1/FORMATIONS/6/2- Order of Battle - CDN (Canadian) Corps - 1942/0-1942/05

    T-17829 - p. 12 1/FORMATIONS/6/3 - Order of Battle - CDN (Canadian) Corps - 1942/05-1944/07

    T-17829 - p. 402 1/FORMATIONS/6/4 - Order of Battle - CDN (Canadian) Corps - N.D.

    T-17829 - p. 405 1/FORMATIONS/7 - Order of Battle 2 CDN DIV (Canadian Division) - 1940/05-1944/07

    T-17829 - p. 441 1/FORMATIONS/8 - Order of Battle - Units under CMHQ (Canadian Military Headquarters) -1941/09-1944/02

    T-17829 - p. 967 1/FORMATIONS/8/2 - Order of Battle - Units under CMHQ (Canadian Military Headquarters) -1944/02-1945/01

    T-17829 - p. 1131 1/FORMATIONS/9 - Policy re provisions of non field force units, CAOS (Canadian Army, overseas) - 1941/11-1942/06

    T-17829 - p. 1206 1/FORMATIONS/10 - Order of Battle - 1st CDN (Canadian) Army - 1942/05-1943/03

    T-17829 - p. 1669 1/FORMATIONS/10/2 - Order of Battle - 1st CDN (Canadian) Army - 1943/03-1944/02

    T-17830 - p. 316 1/FORMATIONS/10/3 - Order of Battle - 1st CDN (Canadian) Army - 1944/02-1944/06

    T-17830 - p. 758 1/FORMATIONS/10/4 - Order of Battle - 1st CDN (Canadian) Army - 1944/06-1946/10

    T-17830 - p. 1160 1/FORMATIONS/11 - Order of Battle - 4 CDN ARMD DIV (Canadian Armoured Division) - 1942/09-1945/09

    T-17830 - p. 1303 1/FORMATIONS/12 - Order of Battle - 2 CDN (Canadian) Corps - 1943.01-1944/08

    T-17830 - p. 1587 1/FORMATIONS/13 - Policy - Employment of CDN (Canadian) Army in 21 Army Group and A.A.I. - 1942/02-1945/10

    1/FORMATIONS/14 - ???

    T-17831 - p. 1236 1/FORMATIONS/15 - Order of battle for 3rd CDN DIV (Canadian Division) - 1943/09-1944/06

    T-17831 - p. 1308 1/FORMATIONS/16 - CDN GHQ (Canadian General Headquarters) and L of C Troops - 1944/01-1944/08
     
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  10. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    I have identified some additional files in the Heritage Canadiana CMHQ section. These are listed under LOCATIONS and include Canadian Army Location Statements and Amendments. There are even a few at the start that include British units. Here are the reels and pages:

    LOCATIONS



    T-17949 - p. 1375 4/LOCATIONS/1/2 - War Office unit location statements - 1941/03-1944/03

    4/LOCATIONS/1 - See Reel 17954 - p. 10

    T-17949 - p. 1772 4/LOCATIONS/1/3 - War Office unit location statements - N.D.

    T-17949 - p. 1776 4/LOCATIONS/2 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1940/04-1941/04

    T-17950 - p. 26 4/LOCATIONS/2/27 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1945/01-1945/05 (Out of Order)

    T-17950 - p. 289 4/LOCATIONS/2/2 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1941/04-1941/10

    T-17950 - p. 579 4/LOCATIONS/2/3 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1941/10-1942/01

    T-17950 - p. 956 4/LOCATIONS/2/4 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1941/12-1942/02

    T-17950 - p. 1247 4/LOCATIONS/2/5 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1942/02-1942/03

    T-17950 - p. 1371 4/LOCATIONS/2/6 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1942/03-1942/04

    T-17950 - p. 1520 4/LOCATIONS/2/7 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1942/04-1942/05

    T-17950 - p. 1680 4/LOCATIONS/2/8 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1942/05-1942/06

    T-17950 - p. 1746 4/LOCATIONS/2/9 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1942/06-1942/07

    T-17951 - p. 242 4/LOCATIONS/2/10 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1942/08-1942/10

    T-17951 - p. 562 4/LOCATIONS/2/11 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1942/10-1943/01

    T-17951 - p. 982 4/LOCATIONS/2/12 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1943/01-1943/03

    T-17951 - p. 1404 4/LOCATIONS/2/13 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1943/03-1943/05

    T-17951 - p. 1621 4/LOCATIONS/2/14 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1943/05-1943/06

    T-17952 - p. 63 4/LOCATIONS/2/15 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1943/06-1943/08

    T-17952 - p. 466 4/LOCATIONS/2/16 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1943/08-1943/09

    T-17952 - p. 854 4/LOCATIONS/2/17 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1943/09-1943/11

    T-17952 - p. 1434 4/LOCATIONS/2/18 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1943/11-1944/01

    T-17953 - p. 15 4/LOCATIONS/2/19 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1944/01-1944/02

    T-17953 - p. 291 4/LOCATIONS/2/20 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1944/03-1944/04

    T-17953 - p. 567 4/LOCATIONS/2/21 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1944/02-1944/04

    T-17953 - p. 928 4/LOCATIONS/2/22 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1944/04-1944/05

    T-17953 - p. 1258 4/LOCATIONS/2/23 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1944/06

    T-17954 p. 10 4/LOCATIONS/1 - War Office unit location statements - 1940/04-1941/02 (Out of Order)

    T-17954 - p. 297 4/LOCATIONS/2/24 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1944/08-1944/09

    T-17954 - p. 443 4/LOCATIONS/2/25 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1944/09-1944/11

    T-17954 - p. 615 4/LOCATIONS/2/26 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1944/11-1945/01

    4/LOCATIONS/2/27 - See Reel T-17950 - p. 26

    T-17954 - p. 720 4/LOCATIONS/2/28 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1945/05-1945/07

    T-17954 - p. 846 4/LOCATIONS/2/29 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1945/07-1945/08

    T-17954 - p. 929 4/LOCATIONS/2/30 - [Canadian] Army Unit location lists - 1945/08-1945/10

    T-17954 - p. 1040 4/LOCATIONS/3 - NDHQ [National Defence Headquarters] location statement of the CASF [Canadian Active Service Force] - 1940/12-1941/12

    T-17954 - p. 1330 4/LOCATIONS/3/2 - NDHQ [National Defence Headquarters] location statement of the CASF [Canadian Active Service Force] - 1941/12-1944/01

    T-17954 - p. 1736 4/LOCATIONS/3/3 - NDHQ [National Defence Headquarters] location statement of the CASF [Canadian Active Service Force] - 1944/01-1945/05

    T-17954 - p. 1808 4/LOCATION GERMAN/1 - Location lists of identified German formations - 1943/08-1945/05

    T-17955 - p. 65 4/LOCATIONS/4 - Movement control location statement - 1941/05-1943/09

    T-17955 - p. 157 4/LOCATIONS/5 - Location statements ETOUSA - 1942/10-1942/12

    T-17955 - p. 168 4/LOCATIONS/6 - Location list - Reserve [Canadian] Army - 1943/01-1945/01

    T-17955 - p. 200 4/LOCATIONS/7 - Distribution of Troops in U.K. - 1943/04-1946/01

    T-17955 - p. 210 4/LOCATIONS/8 - Locations - Central Mediteranean area - 1943/11-1945/04

    T-17955 - p. 293 4/LOCATIONS/9 - Locations[21st] Army group - 1944/04-1944/07

    Ends at p. 17995 - p. 298
     
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  11. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    Here are some CMHQ files that are concerned with British Army Organization January 1941 to March 1948. Some may find these of some interest:

    T-18729 - p. 937 6/BR ARMY/1 - Organization British Army - 1941/01-1943/07

    T-18729 - p. 1463 6/BR ARMY/1/2 - Organization British Army - 1942/12-1944/05

    T-18730 - p. 174 6/BR ARMY/1/3 - Organization British Army - 1944/06-1946/08

    T-18730 - p. 715 6/BR ARMY/1/4 - Organization British Army - 1946/07-1948/03

    ENDS at p. 1099
     
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