Can you read this?

Discussion in 'Royal Engineers' started by fixit9660, Apr 13, 2012.

  1. fixit9660

    fixit9660 Member

    I've just got this extract of the War Diary of the Royal Engineers 107 Field Company but I can't understand it as the writing is terrible. It also has military abbreviations that I don't understand too.
    Can anyone 1) Read it and 2)Translate it for me please?
    Driver Parker is my Granddad!
     

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  2. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    C.E. P ??? sad news that Dr Parker and Spr Jones- 2 ?? killed apparently set off BT ? when collecting Te....? for blasts RE ??

    Weather pleasant and bathing in sea good-possible hot evenings-sea very salt(y), nice and warm, very rapidly shelving beach.

    Will have another look to fill in blanks-sorry cannot add any more!

    Lesley
     
  3. tmac

    tmac Senior Member

    C.E. brings sad news....and Spr (Sapper) Jones , 2 pl (Platoon) ... when collecting Tellermines ....

    A Tellermine was a German anti-tank mine.
     
  4. tmac

    tmac Senior Member

    ..apparently set off BT ...

    I think BT stands for Booby Trap.
     
  5. tmac

    tmac Senior Member

    ... for blasting RC ...

    this possibly means 'blasting reconnaissance positions' - but that's a pure guess.
     
  6. tmac

    tmac Senior Member

    I think it should read:

    ... possible most evenings ...
     
  7. jacksun

    jacksun Senior Member

    Far as I can get, with adding a couple from below

    C.E. brings sad news that Dr. Parker and Spr Jones - 2pl killed.

    Apparently set off B.T. when collecting Tellermines for blasting RC (??fois/pors??)

    Weather pleasant and bathing in sea good - possible most evenings - sea very salt (?wish it weren't?), very rapidly shelving beach.

    W
     
  8. fixit9660

    fixit9660 Member

    Gents, that is great. And I never would have gotten Tellermines, thanks tmac. I'd guessed at Booby Trap but now it makes sense; the Germans would have Booby Trapped as much as they could of any usuable kit left behind.
    I realise that some equipment can be used by all, but I would we have used mines for Blasting something? Would we not have "disposed" of them?
    Anyone know what C.E. is? Company "something" perhaps?
    Thanks again everyone!!
    Andrew.
     
  9. fixit9660

    fixit9660 Member

    "C.E. ????? bad news...."
    Could this be "C.E. Brings bad news....."? but still don't know/understand what C.E. might be.
     
  10. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    If 'C E' is not identifiable as personal initials elsewhere in the diary then I'd expect an unofficial shorthand for CRE - 'Commander (Royal) Engineers'
     
  11. red ling

    red ling Member

    Hi,
    In the list of abbreviations that came with my fathers service record from Glasgow CE is "Chief Engineer (RE)"
     
  12. tmac

    tmac Senior Member

    This is an extract from my 92nd LAA history, July 1944, when the regiment was in Normandy ..

    Another experiment by the 92nd around this time proved to have its share of hazards – instant excavation of gun pits. ‘We soon cottoned on to the fact that there was quicker way of producing a large deep hole than by merely using a pick and shovel,’ recalled Jack Prior. ‘This was to get hold of some anti-tank mines and set one of them off in the desired location. We tried this several times and it worked a treat, so long, of course, as one took ample cover while the debris was being flung to the four corners.'

    ... so anti-tank mines may well have been utilised for unusual purposes. They were obviously useful for producing an effective explosion in a defined area.
     
  13. fixit9660

    fixit9660 Member

    !!! Whoa! Now that's using your initiative.
     
  14. fixit9660

    fixit9660 Member

    Upon further reading of the rest of the War Diary, I think that "C.E. ????" is "C.E. Brings"; it makes sense in the context of the sentence and the "B" in "Brings" is the same as the "B" in "B.T.".
    So that makes the last sentence end "for blasting RC B???". Is it "Brs"? It must be something that regularly occurs as its used again on the 9th, and in fact this whole line is repeated regularly throughout the Diary. I also can't read the first work on the 9th. Is it "Work on the high level Brs"?
    Anyone any idea of what regularly occurs in an RE Company at high or low level?
     

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  15. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    What handwriting!

    8th Work on road continues
    Massive scheme on all? blg brs (building bridges??) and recce report on inland road sent to C??
    9th Work on high level brs (bridges?)

    Perhaps the Royal Engineers were working on building a Bailey bridge??

    Lesley

    ps Am I barking up the wrong tree??
     
  16. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I think that you're right. It is 'Brs' for 'bridges' which makes the 'RC' suddenly obvious - 'Reinforced Concrete' - a standard abbreviation even today.

    The extensive use of this in Europe during the 1930s caused quite a lot of demolition problems and it is quite likely that there would have needed to be further demolition before parts such as existing footings could be used for replacement roadways.

    The report was sent to 'CRE' - Commander, Royal Engineers.
     
  17. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    9th, (under the line Lesley already translated!), it looks to be "Dimiss plans with contractors ???"
     
  18. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    9th, (under the line Lesley already translated!), it looks to be "Dimiss plans with contractors ???"

    Or is it "discuss" ?
     
  19. fixit9660

    fixit9660 Member

    ...so that would mean that the entry dated the 7th, first paragraph would read "..for blasting RC Brs (Bridges?)". Is an RC bridge a bailey bridge? Or another type? (completely out of my field here :huh:).
     
  20. fixit9660

    fixit9660 Member

    Oooh Oooh Google is great! Google is wonderful!

    RC Bridge = Reinforced Concrete Bridge? Yes?
     

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