Can I order Norman MacFie's service records without a death certificate?

Discussion in 'Royal Engineers' started by Kateryan, Apr 18, 2015.

  1. Kateryan

    Kateryan Member

    I have been trying to complete my grandmother's quest to find my great-uncle Norman McLeod MacFie. He was her favorite uncle but they somehow lost touch during or after WWII. My Mom had thought he may have died in the war but I have found travel records showing he traveled a lot between New York and the UK after the war but I've never been able to find a death record. I need a death record to order his records, right? Any idea how to find it? His photo is my picture in case his uniform helps me identify his unit.

    I know he was born in London 1903-1904 and immigrated with his family to NY in 1912. He's living with his parents through the 1940 census. In one of his travel records he listed living in NY through 1942. Family legend had him joining the War for the British which his travel records seem to support. On 10/24/1943 he sails from Greenock, Scotland to NY on the Queen Mary and is listed as Lieut. British Army. On 3/8/1946 he arrives in NY from Singapore traveling under orders from British War Office to Washington, D.C. and is listed as Major. There are two more travels between NY and Glasgow in 1947 where he is listed as a civil engineer and discharge date of 6/25/1946. In 1948 he traveled from Canada to Manchester, England and after that trip I can find no further records at all.

    Would the travel in 1943 and/or 1946 help me figure out his regiment? Does his listing as Civil Engineer mean he was likely a Royal Engineer? Any advice on what else I need to know to order his record? Thank you!
     
  2. Kateryan

    Kateryan Member

    I have been trying to complete my grandmother's request to find my great-uncle Norman McLeod MacFie. He was her favorite uncle but they somehow lost touch during or after WWII. My Mom had thought he may have died in the war but I have found travel records showing he traveled a lot between New York and the UK after the war but I've never been able to find a death record. I need a death record to order his records, right? Any idea how to find it? His picture is my profile in hopes his uniform helps with identifying his unit.

    I know he was born in London 1903-1904 and immigrated with his family to NY in 1912. He's living with his parents through the 1940 census. In one of his travel records he listed living in NY through 1942. Family legend had him joining the War for the British which his travel records seem to support. On 10/24/1943 he sails from Greenock, Scotland to NY on the Queen Mary and is listed as Lieut. British Army. On 3/8/1946 he arrives in NY from Singapore traveling under orders from British War Office to Washington, D.C. and is listed as Major. There are two more travels between NY and Glasgow in 1947 where he is listed as a civil engineer and discharge date of 6/25/1946. In 1948 he traveled from Canada to Manchester, England and after that trip I can find no further records at all.

    Would the travel in 1943 and/or 1946 help me figure out his regiment? Does his listing as Civil Engineer mean he was likely a Royal Engineer? Any advice on what else I need to know to order his record? Thank you!
     
  3. Kateryan

    Kateryan Member

    I have been trying to complete my grandmother's request to find my great-uncle Norman McLeod MacFie. He was her favorite uncle but they somehow lost touch during or after WWII. My Mom had thought he may have died in the war but I have found travel records showing he traveled a lot between New York and the UK after the war but I've never been able to find a death record. I need a death record to order his records, right? Any idea how to find it? His picture is in I'm my profile in hopes that it helps identify his unit.

    I know he was born in London 1903-1904 and immigrated with his family to NY in 1912. He's living with his parents through the 1940 census. In one of his travel records he listed living in NY through 1942. Family legend had him joining the War for the British which his travel records seem to support. On 10/24/1943 he sails from Greenock, Scotland to NY on the Queen Mary and is listed as Lieut. British Army. On 3/8/1946 he arrives in NY from Singapore traveling under orders from British War Office to Washington, D.C. and is listed as Major. There are two more travels between NY and Glasgow in 1947 where he is listed as a civil engineer and discharge date of 6/25/1946. In 1948 he traveled from Canada to Manchester, England and after that trip I can find no further records at all.

    Would the travel in 1943 and/or 1946 help me figure out his regiment? Does his listing as Civil Engineer mean he was likely a Royal Engineer? Any advice on what else I need to know to order his record? Thank you!
     
  4. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Welcome to the forum

    There`s an entry in the London Gazette

    SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 28 MAY, 1943

    Royal Engineers

    The undermentioned to be 2nd Lts.: —
    15th Mar. 1943: —
    Norman McLeod MACFIE (266210).

    Kyle

    Could this be him?
     
  5. Kateryan

    Kateryan Member

    Wow that was fast! I would think so? Does the number after his name mean anything? Does it say what the unit was doing? So he was a Royal Engineer? Thank you!
     
  6. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Yes Royal Engineers and that's his Army number which will enable you to apply for his service records :)


    Kyle
     
  7. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

  8. Kateryan

    Kateryan Member

    Thank you so much! Can I order his records if I do not have a death certificate?

    And how did you guys find that? I've been trying to find information about him everywhere!
     
  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

  10. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

  11. Kateryan

    Kateryan Member

    Thanks! Could you please explain rank to me? We're Lieut. And Major pretty basic ranks?
     
  12. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Kateryan,

    Ask a mod to combine your three original posts they all ask the same question and it will concentrate everyone`s answers and pool their individual knowledge. At the moment its a bit fragmented :)


    Kyle
     
  13. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Good call Kyle, I didn't see this post after adding to one of there others.
     
  14. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

  15. Kateryan

    Kateryan Member

    Sorry, I didn't know where to post originally. How do I ask to combine them?
     
  16. Kateryan

    Kateryan Member

    It looks like I need the death certificate and I can still find no record of him after 1948. Any ideas?
     
  17. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    merged 3 threads into 1.
     
  18. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Thank you Owen. :)
     
  19. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    You need his date of birth or Army No. or both and a death certificate to apply for a copy of his service records. There is a way of getting the death certificate but I'm dammed if I can remember now :(
     
  20. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    This may be him in 1965?


    Name:
    Norman M Macfie

    Year:
    1965

    County or Borough:
    Kensington and Chelsea

    Ward or Division/Constituency:
    Chelsea

    Street address:
    2 Caversham Street

    Reference Number:
    LCC/PER/B/2999

    1964 he`s at the same address
    1963 he`s at 2 Chelsea Embankment
    There`s another Roll for 1965 which gives Artillery Mansions


    Kyle
     

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