Can any one help me please Royal Canadian Air Force

Can any one please help me find any info about a gentlemen named Elvin George Lucy, personal number 167361 Royal Canadian Air Force, he is from Liverpool,
any help would be great thank you.

 

He may have flown with an RCAF squadron but he was RAF. His previous NCO service number was 3011568.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/36923/supplement/749/data.pdf

Regards,

Dave

 

England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Elvin Lucy
Registration Year: 1910
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: West Derby
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 454

England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Elvin Lucy
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1936
Registration district: Ormskirk
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Emma Rothwell
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 1660

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Elvin Lucy
Birth Date: 25 Oct 1910
Date of Registration: Jun 1969
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Southport
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10f
Page: 1363

There are several family trees on Ancestry for him - no military info though

TD

 

1939 Register, on FindMyPast, resident at 80 Northway , West Lancashire R.D., Lancashire, England

Mark

 

According to the London Gazette dated 2 February 1945,RAFVR....looks like an older airman outside the normal age group usually found training as aircrew as TD's information.


17 November 1944 commissioned from LAC as Pilot Officer on probation [(emergency) which would be war emergency] in the General Duties Branch (flying duties)

At this time all aircrew in training would hold the classification of AC2,the designation of Pilot,Navigator and Bomb Aimer having an enhanced rate of pay above a Flight Engineer,Wireless Operator and Air Gunner.On passing out of aircrew training airmen would be promoted to the minimum rank of Sergeant.

However,It may be that Elvin George Lucy had a trade prior to his aircrew training....airmen such as this would retain their classification during training......in Lucy's case,he looks to have been promoted to the commission ranks as detailed,on passing out of training.

 

Cheers for all this great information, I was only asking due to some paperwork I found at the carboot sale. One is a graduation ceremony and presentation of wings leaflets and the gentlemans Royal Air Force service and release book

 

Thank goodness for car boot sales and people like yourself who are prepared to rescue documents such as these from the dustbin of history. A huge proportion of my collection has come from such places after house clearances and I am always amazed at what turns up.

 

I know what you are saying High Wood most of my collection has come from carboot sale and house clearances. I also have the gentlemans insignia

 

Found a pencil drawing of my gentleman today done in1947

 

If you Google "Pat Rooney" you will find a bit on the artist.
Nice find.

 

Hi is there any way I could find out if my man see any action without applying to the MOD

 

If you dont apply for his service records, how are you going to know where he was and which squadrons he went to etc etc. He may have slipped on a bar of soap and never saw action. He may have flown, he may have stayed on the ground all the war. It will be guesswork until you receive his service records.

TD

 

Here is a few things related to my gentleman
1) his sight log book
2) a flyer for a dinner at the Waldorf Astoria if you look at the last person on the bill it's Frank Sinatra

 

A blue £1 note with people's names on

 

Vespa are there any entries in his Sight Log Book? It should have a date and the Grid Reference of where he took his readings from,. Should be able to find which Nav School he did his training at from that.

 

Sorry for the late reply Snailer, this is one page

 

RCAF serial 9836 was a Canso flying boat.
RCAF Cansos 9801 to 9844
i imagine the aircraft above was Anson R9836... it was not uncommon to see the letter left off.
RCAF Ansons 6050 to 6099

If only still training in October 1944 pre OTu its likely he did not much if any actice service at least before VE day.

 

A few more from the book

 

Woukd have been much clearer had you posted these on day one.

He was under training in Canada under the BCATP by the looks of it up to at least April 1945.
Then the BC form indicates a posting to 15 Squadron RAF

The £1 note suggests its a short snorter. A note signed by crew members crossing the Atlantic.

Can you scan the first sheet in its entirity, the one stating dont fly over Rome etc. Is there a date on that.

If you have his log book does it not state the training units he did the flying with?

Is there not a summary at the end of each month signed by unit commander?

 

Hi Dp I would have posted them at the same time but they didn't come together ( separate weeks) thanks for the information, when I get home I will scan them