Can any one help me please Royal Canadian Air Force

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  1. vespa100

    vespa100 Member

    Can any one please help me find any info about a gentlemen named Elvin George Lucy, personal number 167361 Royal Canadian Air Force, he is from Liverpool,
    any help would be great thank you.
  2. alieneyes

    alieneyes Senior Member

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  3. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
    Name: Elvin Lucy
    Registration Year: 1910
    Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
    Registration district: West Derby
    Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
    Inferred County: Lancashire
    Volume: 8b
    Page: 454

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
    Name: Elvin Lucy
    Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1936
    Registration district: Ormskirk
    Inferred County: Lancashire
    Spouse: Emma Rothwell
    Volume Number: 8b
    Page Number: 1660

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Elvin Lucy
    Birth Date: 25 Oct 1910
    Date of Registration: Jun 1969
    Age at Death: 58
    Registration district: Southport
    Inferred County: Lancashire
    Volume: 10f
    Page: 1363

    There are several family trees on Ancestry for him - no military info though

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  4. BFBSM

    BFBSM Very Senior Member

    1939 Register, on FindMyPast, resident at 80 Northway , West Lancashire R.D., Lancashire, England

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  5. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    According to the London Gazette dated 2 February 1945,RAFVR....looks like an older airman outside the normal age group usually found training as aircrew as TD's information.

    17 November 1944 commissioned from LAC as Pilot Officer on probation [(emergency) which would be war emergency] in the General Duties Branch (flying duties)

    At this time all aircrew in training would hold the classification of AC2,the designation of Pilot,Navigator and Bomb Aimer having an enhanced rate of pay above a Flight Engineer,Wireless Operator and Air Gunner.On passing out of aircrew training airmen would be promoted to the minimum rank of Sergeant.

    However,It may be that Elvin George Lucy had a trade prior to his aircrew training....airmen such as this would retain their classification during Lucy's case,he looks to have been promoted to the commission ranks as detailed,on passing out of training.
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  6. vespa100

    vespa100 Member

    Cheers for all this great information, I was only asking due to some paperwork I found at the carboot sale. One is a graduation ceremony and presentation of wings leaflets and the gentlemans Royal Air Force service and release book

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  7. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    Thank goodness for car boot sales and people like yourself who are prepared to rescue documents such as these from the dustbin of history. A huge proportion of my collection has come from such places after house clearances and I am always amazed at what turns up.
  8. vespa100

    vespa100 Member

    I know what you are saying High Wood most of my collection has come from carboot sale and house clearances. I also have the gentlemans insignia

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  9. vespa100

    vespa100 Member

    IMG_3558.JPG Found a pencil drawing of my gentleman today done in1947
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  10. snailer

    snailer Country Member

    If you Google "Pat Rooney" you will find a bit on the artist.
    Nice find.
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  11. vespa100

    vespa100 Member

    Hi is there any way I could find out if my man see any action without applying to the MOD
  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    If you dont apply for his service records, how are you going to know where he was and which squadrons he went to etc etc. He may have slipped on a bar of soap and never saw action. He may have flown, he may have stayed on the ground all the war. It will be guesswork until you receive his service records.

  13. vespa100

    vespa100 Member

    IMG_3575.JPG IMG_3576.JPG IMG_3574.JPG Here is a few things related to my gentleman
    1) his sight log book
    2) a flyer for a dinner at the Waldorf Astoria if you look at the last person on the bill it's Frank Sinatra
  14. vespa100

    vespa100 Member

    IMG_3577.JPG A blue £1 note with people's names on
  15. snailer

    snailer Country Member

    Vespa are there any entries in his Sight Log Book? It should have a date and the Grid Reference of where he took his readings from,. Should be able to find which Nav School he did his training at from that.
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  16. vespa100

    vespa100 Member

    IMG_3589.JPG Sorry for the late reply Snailer, this is one page

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  17. dp_burke

    dp_burke Junior Member

    RCAF serial 9836 was a Canso flying boat.
    RCAF Cansos 9801 to 9844
    i imagine the aircraft above was Anson R9836... it was not uncommon to see the letter left off.
    RCAF Ansons 6050 to 6099

    If only still training in October 1944 pre OTu its likely he did not much if any actice service at least before VE day.
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  18. vespa100

    vespa100 Member

    IMG_3597.JPG IMG_3594.JPG IMG_3594.JPG IMG_3592.JPG IMG_3591.JPG A few more from the book
  19. dp_burke

    dp_burke Junior Member

    Woukd have been much clearer had you posted these on day one.

    He was under training in Canada under the BCATP by the looks of it up to at least April 1945.
    Then the BC form indicates a posting to 15 Squadron RAF

    The £1 note suggests its a short snorter. A note signed by crew members crossing the Atlantic.

    Can you scan the first sheet in its entirity, the one stating dont fly over Rome etc. Is there a date on that.

    If you have his log book does it not state the training units he did the flying with?

    Is there not a summary at the end of each month signed by unit commander?
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  20. vespa100

    vespa100 Member

    Hi Dp I would have posted them at the same time but they didn't come together ( separate weeks) thanks for the information, when I get home I will scan them

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