Brookwood Memorial

Discussion in 'Non-Commemorated War Dead' started by chrisharley9, Jul 25, 2010.

  1. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    IFCP has now made a start on finding the graves of those named on the Brookwood Memorial. Obviously most died at sea or in circumstances where a body would not be found. However so far the graves of the following have been found.

    Name: WIENCKE, HENRY JOHN
    Initials: H J
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Warrant Officer Class II (Q.M.S.)
    Regiment/Service: Royal Armoured Corps
    Date of Death: 19/08/1944
    Service No: 7904624
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 1. Column 2.
    Memorial: BROOKWOOD MEMORIAL

    Fordyce Cemetery Banffshire

    With thanks to TWGPP

    Name: LAPAGE, JOAN
    Initials: J
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Nursing Member
    Regiment/Service: Voluntary Aid Detachment
    Date of Death: 01/02/1940
    Service No: W/531045
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 23. Column 1.
    Memorial: BROOKWOOD MEMORIAL

    Wooton Fitzpaine Church Cemetery, Dorset
     
  2. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Hi Chris,

    Are you open to offers too? There has been a bit of a mystery within a thread about an officer, Major Packenham 2 CG thought to have been killed at Furnes in May 1940. He's remembered on the memorial but thought to be buried in Ireland. It was thought to be unusual that he wasn't remembered on the Dunkirk Memorial.

    All the info so far is from post 69 to 74 and then Post 97
    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/ww2-battlefields-today/16839-walking-footsteps-british-expeditionary-force-2008-2009-a-2.html#post231597

    Cheers
    Andy
     
  3. Oldman

    Oldman Very Senior Member

    Chris
    Remember that bodies are still being uncovered from both wars so they may
    have been found identified and buried.
    The CWGC may not have removed them from the memorial panels due to the cost.

    To find out why not contact the CWGC and find the official line on these kind of issues.
     
  4. ramacal

    ramacal 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    Chris
    Remember that bodies are still being uncovered from both wars so they may
    have been found identified and buried.
    The CWGC may not have removed them from the memorial panels due to the cost.

    To find out why not contact the CWGC and find the official line on these kind of issues.

    I've queried a few I've found on the Brookwood Memorial (Royal Artillery) and not on their database, so they do amend their public records. The response is that they will remove the name off the panel as soon as possible, which maybe never.
     
  5. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Already know the offical line as I have been doing this work with Great War casualties for some time.

    The names are never really removed from the memorials until the panels are replaced (which of course maybe never); however the database entry will change to reflect the newly found burial place.

    Drew

    will be following up on your suggestion which looks pretty good to me, but will have to find the evidence to back it up without which CWGC will not act.
     
  6. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Drew

    will be following up on your suggestion which looks pretty good to me, but will have to find the evidence to back it up without which CWGC will not act.

    A few attempts have been made to check the church grounds for a headstone and an email sent asking for help/advice sent to an address. Hoping that it will get a result. In meantime some clippings IRO Pakenham (I have dates, mostly from Times)


    The Times, Jun 05, 1940; OBIT
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    The Times, Jun 08, 1940; PERSONAL TRIBUTE
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    The Times, Jun 08, 1940; FUNERAL
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    The Times, Jul 16, 1940; CASUALTIES
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    The Times, Jun 08, 1940; PERSONAL TRIBUTE
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    IRISH TIMES, Saturday, February 8, 1941
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    The Times, Jun 01, 1946, In Memoriam
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  7. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Panels here for ref
     

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  8. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    DBF

    great stuff. If you do come up with anything from the church please let me know. I have a contact who is prepared to photo graves for me if necessary so will let you all know what comes to pass

    Chris
     
  9. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    CL1

    thanks for the photos

    Chris
     
  10. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Just to clarify things if anyone has a name from the Brookwood Memorial & they think they know where the grave is please do let me know

    Chris
     
  11. Oldman

    Oldman Very Senior Member

    Chris
    Thanks for offering your services to assist. its appreciated
     
  12. jonheyworth

    jonheyworth Senior Member

    many of those on the Brookwood memorial who were executed for crimes in WW2 have "known" but unmarked graves in prison graveyards but are still commemorated on the Brookwood Memorial
     
  13. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    I would not use the word many for that group of servicemen. They are only a handful & no search will be in hand for their graves as they are regarded by CWGC as unmaintainable therefore the presence of their names on the Brookwood Memorial.

    Chris
     
  14. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Name:WIENCKE, HENRY JOHNInitials:H JNationality:United KingdomRank:Warrant Officer Class II (Q.M.S.)Regiment/Service:Royal Armoured CorpsDate of Death:19/08/1944Service No:7904624N.B.:Presently commemorated on Brookwood Memorial and in this cemetery.Casualty Type:Commonwealth War DeadGrave/Memorial Reference:Section B Lair 178Cemetery:FORDYCE CEMETERY

    Well to get this chap moved from Brookwood did not take long

    Chris
     
  15. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    My database is now in place & Im going through a process of elimination to find those who are genuinely missing. So far eliminated are those who died at Dieppe, St Nazaire & the other commando raids. All the SOE operatives have been tracked down & have been checking through the ships losses such as the SS Ceramic.

    Have done a trial run using the Times archives to search for burial places which has resulted in the probable burial place of 2 ATS officers (just waiting for confirmation before giving out the names).

    All in all this is going to be a very worthwhile excercise.
     
  16. jonheyworth

    jonheyworth Senior Member

    it wil be an interesting thing to see, I always wondered about Brookwood
     
  17. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Well I dont hang about

    Name: KENT, IRENE HELEN
    Initials: I H
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Senior Commandant
    Regiment/Service: Auxiliary Territorial Service
    Date of Death: 02/08/1940
    Service No: 6/K/5/34
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 22. Column 3.
    Memorial: BROOKWOOD MEMORIAL

    Hampstead Cemetery Grave F1 107
     
  18. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    From the Times of 7th Aug 1940
     

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  19. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    My database is now in place & Im going through a process of elimination to find those who are genuinely missing.

    Chris,

    In case you haven't yet gleaned this off the internet ...

    Lieutenant Colonel LUCIUS WILLIAM ARMSTRONG-MacDONNELL 51929, Irish Guards attd. Combined Operations H.Q. who died age 35 on 23 March 1943
Son of William Henry and Mabel Sedgwick Armstrong-MacDonnell, of Beattock, Dumfriesshire; husband of Valerie Muir Armstrong-MacDonnell.
Remembered with honour BROOKWOOD MEMORIAL
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 8. Column 2.
    CWGC :: Casualty Details

    He was passenger on aircraft which was shot down.
    Liberator Mk II AL series - Page 2 - RafCommands Forums
     
  20. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Diane

    that is just the sort of info that Im after so my thanks. If anyone else can come up with any such info it would be appreciated

    Chris
     

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