British aristocracy losses in WW2

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  1. fritzelblitz

    fritzelblitz Member

    Mosquito DD721 – Airborne 21:15 on 11 Mar 1943 from Colerne on a night intruder in the Rennes area paired with Mosquito DD661. Both aircraft failed to return. A cause of loss has not been established. It is believed the aircraft crashed at sea, off Dinard, Bretagne, as the body of the Pilot, 133007 F/O Charles Radford Lawrence was washed up on the shore at Dinard and is now buried at the Dinard English Cemetery. In the months following this crash the bodies of several unidentified airmen were washed ashore in the region. These bodies are buried as Unknown Airmen cemeteries of the region. One of these unidentified bodies may have been that of the Navigator, 119218 F/O Anthony Hugh Stanley. F/O Stanley is commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

    11/03/1943 119218 F/O Anthony Hugh Stanley, Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve, 264 Sqdn, Navigator, RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL, Panel 129., son of Colonel Hon. Algernon Francis Stanley, DSO, and Lady Mary Cavendish Stanley née Grosvenor, of Chippenham, Wiltshire. Colonel Hon. Algernon Francis Stanley was the son of Frederick Arthur Stanley, 16th Earl of Derby and Lady Constance Villiers. Lady Mary Cavendish Stanley née Grosvenor, was the daughter of Hugh Lupus Grosvenor, 1st Duke of Westminster and Hon. Katherine Caroline Cavendish.

    See also Harrow K7011 crew burial data
     
  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Mosquito DD721 – Airborne 21:15 on 11 Mar 1943 from Colerne on a night intruder in the Rennes area paired with Mosquito DD661. Both aircraft failed to return. A cause of loss has not been established. It is believed the aircraft crashed at sea, off Dinard, Bretagne, as the body of the Pilot, 133007 F/O Charles Radford Lawrence was washed up on the shore at Dinard and is now buried at the Dinard English Cemetery. In the months following this crash the bodies of several unidentified airmen were washed ashore in the region. These bodies are buried as Unknown Airmen cemeteries of the region. One of these unidentified bodies may have been that of the Navigator, 119218 F/O Anthony Hugh Stanley. F/O Stanley is commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

    11/03/1943 119218 F/O Anthony Hugh Stanley, Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve, 264 Sqdn, Navigator, RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL, Panel 129., son of Colonel Hon. Algernon Francis Stanley, DSO, and Lady Mary Cavendish Stanley née Grosvenor, of Chippenham, Wiltshire. Colonel Hon. Algernon Francis Stanley was the son of Frederick Arthur Stanley, 16th Earl of Derby and Lady Constance Villiers. Lady Mary Cavendish Stanley née Grosvenor, was the daughter of Hugh Lupus Grosvenor, 1st Duke of Westminster and Hon. Katherine Caroline Cavendish.

    See also Harrow K7011 crew burial data

    Panel from Runnymede
     

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  3. fritzelblitz

    fritzelblitz Member

    Lancaster LM482 – Airborne 13:00 on 7 Oct 1944 from Woodhall Spa to breach the Kembs Dam on the Rhine, inside Germany, just below Basel, Switzerland. Tallboy failed to release on the first run and the aircraft was seen to position for a second run. Hit by light Flak and crashed at Efringen-Kirchen, a village just inside Germany and about 8 km SSE of the target and an equal distance NNW from the Swiss town of Basel. The entire crew of seven is buried in a collective grave at Dürnbach War Cemetery.

    07.10.1944 104406 Flight Lieutenant Christopher John Geoffrey Howard, Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve, 617 Sqdn, Pilot, DURNBACH WAR CEMETERY, Coll. grave 8. H. 22-25., son of Hon. Geoffrey William Algernon Howard and Hon. Ethel Christian Howard née Methuen. Hon. Geoffrey Howard was the son of George James Howard, 9th Earl of Carlisle and Hon. Rosalind Frances Stanley. Ethel Christian Methuen was the daughter of Field Marshal Paul Sanford Methuen, 3rd Baron Methuen and Mary Ethel Sanford.
     

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  4. fritzelblitz

    fritzelblitz Member

    Hudson AM639 – Flew too low and struck the sea with a wingtip on 28 Apr 1942 at 11:15, while on bombing practice at the 'City of Birmingham' wreck, off the Humber estuary. P/O Thesiger and Sgt Normore from Deer Lake, Newfoundland, have no known grave and are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial. The bodies of Sgt Hoskins and Sgt Neary were picked up by HMT Sheraton. Both are buried in St. Nicholas Churchyard, North Cotes, Lincolnshire.

    28/04/1942 903497 Pilot Officer Dermont Vigors Thesiger, Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve, 59 Sqdn, Pilot, RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL, Panel 72., son of Capt. Hon. Wilfred Gilbert Thesiger, DSO, and of Kathleen Mary Thesiger née Vigors, CBE, of Chelsea, London. Barrister of the Middle Temple. Capt. Hon. Wilfred Thesiger, DSO, was the son of Frederick Augustus Thesiger, 2nd Baron Chelmsford of Chelmsford and Adria Fanny Thesiger née Heath. Kathleen Thesiger née Vigors, CBE, was the daughter of Thomas Mercer Cliffe Vigors and is descended from the Barons Castlemaine. P/O Dermont Thesiger was the elder brother of travel writer and explorer Sir Wilfred Patrick Thesiger, CBE, DSO, FRAS, FRGS (3 June 1910 – 24 August 2003).

    See also P/O Thesiger & Crew
     
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  5. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Hudson AM639 – Flew too low and struck the sea with a wingtip on 28 Apr 1942 at 11:15, while on bombing practice at the 'City of Birmingham' wreck, off the Humber estuary. P/O Thesiger and Sgt Normore from Deer Lake, Newfoundland, have no known grave and are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial. The bodies of Sgt Hoskins and Sgt Neary were picked up by HMT Sheraton. Both are buried in St. Nicholas Churchyard, North Cotes, Lincolnshire.

    28/04/1942 903497 Pilot Officer Dermont Vigors Thesiger, Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve, 59 Sqdn, Pilot, RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL, Panel 72., son of Capt. Hon. Wilfred Gilbert Thesiger, DSO, and of Kathleen Mary Thesiger née Vigors, CBE, of Chelsea, London. Barrister of the Middle Temple. Capt. Hon. Wilfred Thesiger, DSO, was the son of Frederick Augustus Thesiger, 2nd Baron Chelmsford of Chelmsford and Adria Fanny Thesiger née Heath. Kathleen Thesiger née Vigors, CBE, was the daughter of Thomas Mercer Cliffe Vigors and is descended from the Barons Castlemaine. P/O Dermont Thesiger was the elder brother of travel writer and explorer Sir Wilfred Patrick Thesiger, CBE, DSO, FRAS, FRGS (3 June 1910 – 24 August 2003).

    See also P/O Thesiger & Crew


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  6. zahonado

    zahonado Well-Known Member

    I hadn't noticed this thread before. Before he died, my father got very interested in some mystery surrounding this man's death, and tried to follow up on his suspicions that all was not as it seemed. I believe that at the time they were both in the Indian Field broadcasting Unit (No 5?), but I can't remember much more. Internet research was not possible then so I remember letters were sent, but not much emerged.If anyone has any info it might be interesting to know more....
     
  7. fritzelblitz

    fritzelblitz Member

    Blenheim T2165 – Airborne 10:32 on 26 Aug 1941 from Bodney. Believed shot down by Lt. Dähne, 2./JG52 in the vicinity of Heligoland. All the bodies were eventually washed onto German shores and are buried in Sage War Cemetery.

    W/Cdr Francis Alfred George Lascelles DFC RAF pilot +
    F/Sgt William John Ordway RAF observer +
    F/Sgt Cecil Pollock Weir RAF air gunner +

    26/08/1941 40398 W/Cdr Francis Alfred George Lascelles DFC, Royal Air Force, 82 Sqdn, Pilot, SAGE WAR CEMETERY, 13. D. 8., son of Sir Alfred George Lascelles, Kt, KC, and of Lady Isabel Carteret Lascelles (née Thynne), of Terrington, Yorkshire. Sir Alfred Lascelles was the son of Hon. George Edwin Lascelles and Lady Louisa Nina Lascelles née Murray. W/Cdr Francis Alfred George Lascelles was the great great grandson of Thomas Thynne, 2nd Marquess of Bath.
     
  8. TTH

    TTH Senior Member

    Before he died, my father got very interested in some mystery surrounding this man's death, and tried to follow up on his suspicions that all was not as it seemed.

    I can well believe that. The Marquess was a character and a half, a heavy drinker deeply involved in Ulster politics and a friend of Churchill's. His daughter was a writer of some note, a drug addict, alcoholic, and sexual swinger who was briefly married to Robert Lowell (the American poet). The whole family seems to have been a bit mad.
     
  9. Sheldrake

    Sheldrake Gunner Tours

    Lieutenant Colonel (9th Bart) DES VOEUX, Sir WILLIAM RICHARD De B.
    CO of 156 PARA
    Son of Lt.-Col. Henry John des Voeux, O.B.E., and Dorothy Gladys des Voeux; husband of Lady des Voeux (nee Elkington), of Adbury Holt, Newbury, Berkshire.
    CWGC :: Casualty Details

    The son in Law of Lt Col John Elkington DSO of the Warwickshire Regiment, cashiered for the St Quentin incident, but redeemed his honour after his gallentry in action as a 49 year old Legionnaire in the French Foreigh legion on Vimy Ridge. White feathers stuff.
     
  10. fritzelblitz

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  11. fritzelblitz

    fritzelblitz Member

    Wellington R1644 – Airborne 23:05 on 26 Jun 1941 from Newton to bomb a target in Düsseldorf. Shot down by Flak and crashed 04:00 on 27 Jun 1941 at Grubbenvorst (Limburg), on the W bank of the Maas, 6 km NNW of Venlo, Holland. All were initially buried in Venlo Military Cemetery, but have since been reinterred in the Jonkerbos War Cemetery.

    27/06/1941 88474 Pilot Officer Christopher Reginald Herbert, Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve, 150 Sqdn, Navigator, JONKERBOS WAR CEMETERY, 3. H. 3., son of Mr. Arthur Stewart Herbert and Lady Theresa Selina Herbert née Boyle; husband of Celia Winifred Herbert née Roundell. Theresa Selina Boyle was the daughter of Colonel Gerald Edmund Boyle and Lady Elizabeth Theresa Boyle née Pepys. P/O Christopher Reginald Herbert was grandson of Charles Christopher Pepys, 1st Earl of Cottenham and William Henry Dudley Boyle, 12th Earl of Cork and Orrery.
     
  12. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    01/11/1944 Major Hon. Derick Roderick De Stacpoole, No 48 Royal Marines Commando, BERGEN-OP-ZOOM WAR CEMETERY, 6. B. 2., son of George de Stacpoole, 5th Duke de Stacpoole and of the Duchess de Stacpoole, Eileen Constance de Stacpoole née Palmer, of Tobertynan, Enfield, Co. Meath, Irish Republic.

    DE STACPOOLE, D.R..JPG
     
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  13. fritzelblitz

    fritzelblitz Member

    Lancaster NF923 - Airborne 19:18 on 23 Sep 1944 from Woodhall Spa to breach the Dortmund-Ems Kanal at Ladbergen, N of Münster. Did not bomb and homebound, its Tallboy withheld, intercepted by a night-fighter whose cannon-fire knocked out three engines and started a blaze in the bomb-bay. Abandoned and crashed 23:00 onto the Vordense Binnenweg, close to a house, at Lochem (Gelderland), Holland. F/L Stout, who had served with No.9 Sqdn, is buried in Lochem New General Cemetery. F/O Graham, son of Major-General Sir Miles Graham KBE CB MC and Lady Evelyn Graham, is buried in Arnhem Oosterbeek War Cemetery, while P/O Benting who died from his injuries 25 Sep 1944 in Enschede Hospital, is buried in Enschede Eastern General Cemetery. F/S Whittaker's DFM was gazetted 7Dec45.

    F/L G.S.Stout DFC KIA
    P/O A.W.Benting Inj
    F/O C.E.M.Graham MID KIA 30 Oct 1920
    F/O W.A.Rupert RCAF Evd
    F/O R.J.Allen DFC PoW
    F/S P.L.Whittaker DFM PoW
    F/O R.H.Patch DFC Evd

    F/O R.J.Allen DFC initially evaded but was eventually captured (no date) and interned in Camp L1. PoW No.6165. F/S P.L.Whittaaker also evaded but was captured by, and escaped from, the Gestapo in Holland Feb 1945.

    23/09/1944 159937 Flying Officer Flying Officer Clyde Euan Miles Graham MID, Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve, 617 Sqdn, Navigator, ARNHEM OOSTERBEEK WAR CEMETERY, 4. C. 13., son of Major-General Sir Miles Graham, KBE, CB, MC, and of Lady Evelyn Graham née King; husband of Daphne Marion Graham née Bonsor, of Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire. Major-General Sir Miles Graham was the son of Major Henry Graham and Ellen Peel. Lady Evelyn King was the daughter of Lionel Fortescue King, 3rd Earl of Lovelace and Lady Edith Anson. Daphne Marion Bonsor was the daughter of Sir Reginald Bonsor, 2nd Bt. and Nancy Frances Walrond.
     
  14. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    CASSEL, ERNEST JAMES

    Rank:

    Sub-Lieutenant

    Date of Death:

    03/06/1940

    Age:

    30

    Regiment/Service:

    Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve



    H.M.S. Daedalus.

    Grave Reference

    West of Church near West Boundary.

    Cemetery

    LILLEY (ST. PETER) CHURCHYARD

    Additional Information:
    Son of The Rt. Hon. Sir Felix Cassel, P.C., K.C., 1st Bt., and of Lady Helen Cassel (nee Grimston), of Luton, Bedfordshire. B.Sc., Hons. (Oxon.).
     

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  15. fritzelblitz

    fritzelblitz Member

    Halifax W1237 – Airborne 00:49 on 7 Jul 1942 from Middleton St George to bomb a target in Duisburg. Homebound, shot down by a night-fighter (Hptm. Heinrich Prinz zu Sayn-Wittgenstein, 1./NJG1) and crashed 04:15 into the sea 10 km W of Hoek van Holland, where Sgt Hoare and Sgt Scott are buried in the Hoek van Holland General Cemetery. The others have no known grave and are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

    07/08/1942 60506 Flying Officer Count Jacques Marie Joseph A. d'Ursel, Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve, 78 Sqdn Pilot, RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL, Panel 66., Chevalier of The Order of Leopold, Croix De Guerre (Belgium), 1940. Son of Count Auguste D'Ursel and of Countess Emma D'Ursel, of Brussels. F/O Count Jacques d'Ursel was the younger brother of Count Antoine d'Ursel, who was instrumental in the Comet Line / Réseau Comète helping Allied soldiers and airmen return to Britain after being stuck behind enemy lines in Belgium and France. Count Antoine d’Ursel (aka Jacques Cartier) drowned crossing the Franco-Spanish border on 24 Dec 1943.

    Jacques' last letter to a friend
    Wikipedia article about Réseau Comète
    Wikipedia article about Sayn-Wittgenstein
     
  16. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Panel attached from Runnymede
     

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  17. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Remembered Lydbury North,Shropshire



    CLIVE, Viscount

    Rank:

    Squadron Leader

    Service No:

    86326

    Date of Death:

    23/03/1943

    Regiment/Service:

    ALIAS

    Grave Reference



    Cemetery

    WELSHPOOL (CHRIST CHURCH) CHURCHYARD

    Additional Information:
    See HERBERT, the true family name.


    HERBERT, MERVYN HORATIO

    Rank:

    Squadron Leader

    Service No:

    86326

    Date of Death:

    23/03/1943

    Age:

    38

    Regiment/Service:

    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve



    157 Sqdn.

    Grave Reference

    South side of church.

    Cemetery

    WELSHPOOL (CHRIST CHURCH) CHURCHYARD

    Additional Information:
    Viscount Clive, 17th Baron D'arcy de Knayth. Son of George Charles Herbert, 4th Earl of Powis and of The Countess of Powis, 16th Baroness D'arcy de Knayth, Powis Castle Welshpool, husband of Viscountess Clive (nee Cuthbert), of Powis Castle, Welshpool. Barrister.
     

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  18. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Remembered Farnham Royal, Berkshire



    BERRY, The Hon. JOHN DOUGLAS

    Rank:

    Lieutenant

    Service No:

    124533

    Date of Death:

    10/10/1944

    Age:

    28

    Regiment/Service:

    Grenadier Guards



    3rd Bn.

    Grave Reference

    II, B, 15.

    Cemetery

    SANTERNO VALLEY WAR CEMETERY

    Additional Information:
    Son of James Gomer Berry, 1st Viscount Kemsley, and Lady Gomer Berry, of Dropmore, Buckinghamshire.
     

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  19. Tanky

    Tanky Junior Member

    dbf, bit more info on this one for you:

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    Mission: Ferry flight
    Date: 17th December 1942

    Unit: No. 138 Squadron

    Type: Halifax II

    Serial: DT542

    Coded: NF-Q

    Location: Zetun, Malta

    Pilot: F/O. Krzysztof Leon Dobromirski P-0100 P.A.F. Age: 27, Killed (Gliniany, Poland.)

    Pilot(2): F/O. Stanislaw Pankiewicz P-0858 P.A.F. Age; 26, Killed (Augustow, Poland.)

    Nav: F/O. Zbigniew Augustyn Idzikowski P-0742 P.A.F. Age; 32, Killed (Krakow, Poland.)

    W/Op: Fl/Sgt. Alfred Edmund Kleniewski 780771 P.A.F. Age; 24, Killed (Mlawa, Poland.)

    W/Op/Air/Gnr: Sgt. Roman Wysocki 780214 P.A.F. Age; 26, Killed (Lubelskie, Poland.)

    Fl/Eng: Sgt Alexander Clubb Watt 571759 R.A.F. Age; 21, Killed

    Air/Gnr: Fl/Sgt. Oskar Franciszek Zieliński 781151 P.A.F. Age; 32, Killed (Prostken, Poland.)

    Passengers:

    Major, (Lord Apsley) Bathurst D.S.O. M.C. T.D. 12995 R.A.C. Age; 47, Killed

    L.A.C. Cyril Dennis Brown 1069726 R.A.F.V.R. Killed

    L.A.C. Richard Clegg 1233498 R.A.F.V.R. Age; 21, Killed

    Fl/Lt. Peter Earle 44315 R.A.F. Age; 28, Killed

    Cpl. Douglas Sidney Hounslow 1165159 R.A.F.V.R. Killed

    AC1. Stanley Edward Kelly 1493201 R.A.F.V.R. Age; 40, Killed

    Maj. Arthur David Curtis Millar Indian Army. Age; 38, Killed

    Sgt. Dennis Spibey 535526 R.A.F. Killed

    Sdn/Ldr. Jefferson Heywood Wedgwood D.F.C. 37645 R.A.F. Killed

    F/Lt. Leonard Arthur Vaughan D.S.O. D.F.C. 78666 R.A.F.V.R. Age; 42, Killed

    REASON FOR LOSS:
    Took off from Luqa, Malta to the United Kingdom but then turned back due to engine problems and crashed East of Zetun, Malta at 04.05 hrs whilst attempting to land.






     

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  20. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Cheers Tanky
    Great additional info

    Nice to see that this thread still has some legs
     

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