Britian And Germany Allies?

hello chaps and thanks for the welcome.
i was watching the t.v. about operation barbarossa ,the invasion of the motherland and they said that hitler wanted to allie with britian to fight aginst the russians. would be great if you guys know anything i couldn't find anything about it



" One death is a tragety, a million is a statistic " Josef Stalin

 

(russian @ Dec 14 2005, 02:48 PM) [post=43113]hello chaps and thanks for the welcome.
i was watching the t.v. about operation barbarossa ,the invasion of the motherland and they said that hitler wanted to allie with britian to fight aginst the russians. would be great if you guys know anything i couldn't find anything about it



" One death is a tragety, a million is a statistic " Josef Stalin
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What show was that? What language? Where, when, was it made?


Regards


Geoff

 

im not pertty sure but its gota eather be the history channel or the military channeland it was in english

 

(russian @ Dec 14 2005, 03:08 PM) [post=43116]im not pertty sure but its gota eather be the history channel or the military channeland it was in english
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Hitler was fond of the British which is ironic.

Before 1939 that was the last thing Britain wanted - after the declaration.......no chance.

When was this supposedly said. Pre war I assume.

 

Thanks spidge ill try to find out more myself

 

(spidge @ Dec 13 2005, 11:30 PM) [post=43117](russian @ Dec 14 2005, 03:08 PM) [post=43116]im not pertty sure but its gota eather be the history channel or the military channeland it was in english
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Hitler was fond of the British which is ironic.

Before 1939 that was the last thing Britain wanted - after the declaration.......no chance.

When was this supposedly said. Pre war I assume.
[/b] Hitler was fond of the British because he believed them to be Aryan too.

 

He was supposed to have said it before the Battle of Britain - I could be wrong on that point. He said the Germans and the British were alike.

 

hello chaps and thanks for the welcome.
and they said that hitler wanted to allie with britian to fight aginst the russians.

It wasn't Hitler, Rudolf Hess wanted to Allie with Britain (Against Hitler's will). He thought he could acheive alliance with Britain so they could stop Russia, but obviously that didn't happen. He took a plane in May 1941 and was shot out of the sky and taken prisoner. The whole incident was pretty bizarre. If you watch that whole Nazi Occult Conspiracy thing he was an astrologist I believe, and he thought that it was a great time to form alliances because of some celestrial star pattern thing (i can't really remember that well, it was confusing too) that show like two stars or planets, (i cant remember) overlapsing, which meant a great alliance was about to be formed or something. Correct me if i am wrong please.

Oh and if you want to watch part 2 of that Nazi Occult conspiracy movie thing (with Rudolf Hess's Peace Treaty Flight) here's the link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3797889292300937848&q=nazi+occult

Here's part 1 as well:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4360800110742625275&q=nazi+occult

I tell you those Nazis are weird. Henrich Himmler thought he was the reincarnation of some guy, and he used hindu symbols for the like the SS and stuff. They were all like Astrologists, they wanted to find priests to help them contain the pure aryan race or something. And Himmler built a castle with Pagon things inside. And the nazis were bringing back Pagon Rituals. Very, very interesting to watch.

 

I watched a BBC documentary entitled "The Wrong War".

The general thrust of the DVD was that England was at the top of Hitler's wish list of allies pre war.


He admired the English as did a large proportion of the German upper class. For instance fox hunting (a very English pursuit) was very fashionable with the German upper classes in Germany primarily because it was an English activity. Hitler, as has been pointed out, saw the English as fellow Aryans and very much admired the British Empire. England pre WWII was very much what the German upper classes aspired Germany to be - a world empire.

Hitler was very much happy to let the British Empire do its own thing if the British recognised German dominance on the continent of Europe. He saw the British empire as a force for good and stability in the world and certainly didn't, pre-war, see it as a natural enemy. In his opinion the demise of the British Empire would only benefit 2 non-Aryan races - Japan and the USA.

 

In his opinion the demise of the British Empire would only benefit 2 non-Aryan races - Japan and the USA.

Well, that would appear to have been well founded wouldn't it? Not the bit about the Aryan races, but the decline of the British Empire and the subsiquent dominance by the US and Japan.

 

Hitler also thought that Japan would fight a war for the Pacific with the United States, but that Britain would be on Japan's side.

 

Well, that would appear to have been well founded wouldn't it? Not the bit about the Aryan races, but the decline of the British Empire and the subsiquent dominance by the US and Japan.

Yes, kind of ironic is it not? The Uk won the war but lost the peace and by winning the war ended European domination of the globe. Do you think that was Churchill's plan or did he just not think that far ahead?

 

Yes, kind of ironic is it not? The Uk won the war but lost the peace and by winning the war ended European domination of the globe. Do you think that was Churchill's plan or did he just not think that far ahead?

Churchill knew all right however he could not stop the inevitable and eventual change. This was Roosevelt's "coup de grâce" or legacy to the other lands of the free.

Churchill put forward many plans that would have assured that Britain played a part in the post war domination but Roosevelt cut him off at every turn.

The old saying that there is "No such thing as a free lunch" is very true.

 

well english and americans are germanic

 

well english and americans are germanic

Very simplistic and highly debatable.

Why do you keep saying English when we are British?

Many of us, like me, are descended from the Scots, Welsh or Irish as much or more than the English and have no particular claim to be sescended from the Saxon invaders, who by and large absorbed rather than replaced the existing Romano-British population in England.

 

well english and americans are germanic
I disagree. There are Millions of Irish Americans or Latinos Americans wh dont have Germanic Backgrounds. I must admit that these conversations about race are slightly unsettling.

 

well english because because english are germanic , wales , scots etc not

not only the germanic saxons but also the denish , norway etc came to britain

I think some 20-30 % of the nowadays americans are of german descendant , english I think around 40%

so lets say the most of them are of germanic origin

but it seems senseless if you take into consideration that america wants to be the country for everyone where religion , race etc is relative unimportant

 

I think that Hitler's mistake with Britain was that he thought that the British, as a global sea power would leave him a free hand in Europe if he didn't challenge their empire. This view was presumably based on an assumption that Britain entered WW1 because of the naval race with Germany & its moves to build an overseas empire. It completely ignored Britain's desire to maintain the balance of power in Europe, which had been the basis of its foreign policy for many years.

I too am uncomfortable with discussions on race. In my view, however, what matters in this case is not the actual ethnic make up of countries but what Hitler thought it was, as his racist views coloured his strategy. He clearly thought that the British were Germanic.

 

well there is no doubt that in british veins run germanic blood

the problem is that england that the anglo-saxon relationship to the middle european saxons broke off in the 8 century and england developed different than germany

 

Whether we are comfortable with it or not, the fact is that British and German people share the same bloodline. The Saxons that invaded Britain at the time of the Roman withdrawal from the British Isles in the mid 5th century came from Saxonny in what we now call Germany. That the bloodline was subsequently "diluted" by the Viking invasions of the 9th and 10th centurys, and the Norman of the 11th, does in no way alter the foundations of society that were laid down by the earlier Saxons and ultimately embraced by later invaders. Britons and Germans are not egalitarian races: Australians and Americans come closer to that idyll in theory (though not in practice). It is hardly surprising Hitler saw us here in the UK as, basically, kin folk...