Black British Soldiers

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  1. BrianM59

    BrianM59 Senior Member

    Dear Kate,

    I presume you've read the previous posts on Page 1 of this topic but you'll see a link to a boxing website with a picture of your great uncle - and several mentions of him in other posts. I'm happy to help and point you in any directions I may have come from. I also presume you know about any Ashuns in Liverpool as you posted on Ancestry a couple of years back - take two, you've also found the boxing references....
     
  2. Over Here

    Over Here Junior Member

    Who'd have thought the Victorians were so PC eh? :rolleyes:

    First VC from Canada was a black fellow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_Victoria_Cross_recipients

    Right, is there anyone who has not genuflected an the PC alter that would like to do so?
     
  3. BrianM59

    BrianM59 Senior Member

    Stuff about black British (and foreign black) sailors at Trafalgar here:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/the-black-heroes-of-trafalgar-320576.html

    Canadians segregated their non-white soldiers up until WW2, but whether that was them following the British ruling line or not I don't know - and of course equality of service doesn't end discrimination. By the way, I don't see it as 'PC' and I don't genuflect to anybody or anything.
     
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  4. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    From Appendix N, WO 162/205
     
  5. BrianM59

    BrianM59 Senior Member

    Diane, I'm presuming this is referring to soldiers recruited in West Africa and their eventual destination - i.e not Europe? I know 82nd Division arrived in Burma in spring 1944(?) after General Giffard had lobbied for some time for the combat deployment of west and east African troops outside Africa.
     
  6. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Hi Brian,
    That's what I assumed the first time I read it (this programme came to mind http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b036x83s, but the more times I read it the less certain I became. So far I haven't found any further reference in the file, so I'll go with your interpretation.

    (I realise it's not quite on-topic, but given my doubts I couldn't think of a better thread on which to add it.)
     
  7. BrianM59

    BrianM59 Senior Member

    I'll dig out David Killingray's book, Fighting for Britain - African soldiers in the Second World War and see if he's got anything to say on the subject - my assumption would have been in line with yours. I should also have that item as Drew copied the file for me some time ago....interesting.
     
  8. idler

    idler GeneralList Patron

    Just to cover all the bases - I understood it as wanting to avoid sending non-white British soldiers to West Africa as it would create an awkward grey area in an otherwise black and white situation.
     
  9. Kateashun

    Kateashun Member

    Hello omg i didn't think anyone would get back intouch with me :)


    This is awesome.. I can look alot more into it now...
    It's mad how people find all this information out...

    Thank you very much and I would love too hear from you all :)

    If there's anymoee information people could pass on to me. My email is kateashun95@gmail.com or Facebook is kate Louise ashun


    Looking forward too hearing from you all :)
     
  10. redtop

    redtop Well-Known Member

    Hi Kate
    Hope you can read this.
    A bit more of excerpt from letter to my father serving in G Battery RHA mentioning Gordon Ashun

    Bryan

    Sorry my PC has gone mad with multiple postings
     

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  11. redtop

    redtop Well-Known Member

    Hi Kate
    As promised G Battery 5 RHA pre D Day embarkation list, Looks like he was at West Ham London
    Gordons name is toward bottom of 2nd list looks like his rank may have been Sgt.
    Somebody may well have a better copy.

    Hope this only posts once :)
    Bryan
     

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  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Having watched a programme on the Victoria Cross last night I felt this needed adding to this thread:

    Name: William Hall
    Birth Date: 25 Apr 1829
    Birth Place: Minas Basin, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Death Date: 27 Aug 1907
    Death Place: Avonport, Nova Scotia

    40104_258646-n0211.jpg

    TD
     
  13. Ubberley215

    Ubberley215 New Member

    Ken Roberts was from abbey Hilton Stoke on Trent he was a friend of my mothers 4 brothers this was through boxing his mother was also a friend of my grandmother
     
  14. Ubberley215

    Ubberley215 New Member

    Ken Roberts was from abbey Hulton Stoke on trent
     
  15. Pendlewitch56

    Pendlewitch56 New Member

    I am a Niece of Private Kenneth Roberts who served in 21 Ind. Para. Coy. and unfortunately the photo which Paul posted on 3rd January 2012 is not he but his Brother, Leslie who served in the North Staffs. (Prince of Wales) Regiment during WWII. Whilst the links posted by englandPhil are not to my Tree as this is currently Private, they are my photos. Uncle Ken's Father came from Sierra Leone, possibly Freetown but as yet have to confirm this. Uncle Ken was born in Etruria Road, Hanley, Staffordshire.
     
  16. BrianM59

    BrianM59 Senior Member

    I've been looking for black British soldiers/servicemen and women in WW2 for some years since I started writing about a relative of mine who was a Trooper in the 10th Hussars, killed in France in 1940. So far I have identified about a dozen, maybe fourteen - including Kenneth Roberts - and now you have a family connection that reveals Leslie is another. Kate Ashun added two more family members, that I only knew vaguely about.

    I understand if your family tree is private, but do think about posting pictures - putting names to faces is really important historically - I have never had a photo of Trooper Joe Small, just tantalising glimpses in people's stories. A lot of schoolkids and students have no idea that black, mixed race, and Asian British soldiers fought for their country in both World Wars. There are precious few photographs of black and Asian servicemen of any description, but it always gets a response from the most hardened schoolkid when I show pictures of black RAF officers or Sikh tank crews.
     
  17. Kateashun

    Kateashun Member

    How do I upload picture's I finally have a pic off my great granddad :) Sgt Philip William Ashun ♡
     
  18. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi Kate

    If you 'reply' to this post then in the bottom right hand corner are the options 'POST' & 'More Reply Options', select the latter and that provides a new screen , and at its base is the option 'Choose File' if you select this then you have the option to select files from your computer - just make sure that the file you wish to download does not exceed the max then when you have downloaded it select 'add to post' and the system will add it to wherever the cursor is situated, then finally select 'Add Reply'

    TD
     
  19. Kateashun

    Kateashun Member

    Middle row too the left is my uncle gordon
     
  20. Kateashun

    Kateashun Member

    Ahhhhh, it won't let me upload any pics :(
     

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