Betrayal

Discussion in 'Poland' started by Polish_Street_Soldier, Jun 26, 2004.

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  1. Herroberst

    Herroberst Senior Member

    I seem to be doing a lousy job of explaining myself to you. This is not the first time I've had to re-explain something I've written to you, and I don't understand where the failure is. I have a Master of Fine Arts in Creative Writing, have been a published journalist and historian for 25 years, so that means I have some ability to convey information in a manner that editors and published authors say is appropriate and accurate. But when I write for other folks, I seem to get one of three things:

    1. Incomprehension
    2. Vilification
    3. Ridicule

    There must be something wrong with the way I write. :(

    I don't think I'm making myself clear to you in any way.

    No worries mate. Everything seems chrystal clear. Perhaps the only thing is:

    There must be something wrong with the way I write.

    tends to dent ones credibility due to the self doubt issue.
     
  2. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    No worries mate. Everything seems chrystal clear. Perhaps the only thing is:



    tends to dent ones credibility due to the self doubt issue.

    Well, I'm just baffled as to why this stuff doesn't seem to make sense to the people I'm addressing it to. Either the recipient can't hear properly or I'm not saying it properly. Binary solution set. And if it's my fault, I'm accountable.
     
  3. Herroberst

    Herroberst Senior Member

    Well, I'm just baffled as to why this stuff doesn't seem to make sense to the people I'm addressing it to. Either the recipient can't hear properly or I'm not saying it properly. Binary solution set. And if it's my fault, I'm accountable.

    That's the thing, I don't think you are.
     
  4. jimbotosome

    jimbotosome Discharged

    Well Kiwi,

    I don't know about your experiences the kind of people that mentored you, abusive professors or colleagues or who fashioned your thinking but it does not have anything to do with me or anything I have done to you. You say you don’t like debate; well did you ever consider that others don’t like to be lectured and talked down to either. I prefer dialog where there is the realm of possibility that any one of the sides could be wrong. I can’t imagine anyone that wants “I’m the expert and you need to shut up and accept everything I say as fact and never question it”. You talk about smug. The inference that if I don’t agree with you that you simply didn’t “get through to me”, my god man, do you know how pompous that sounds?
     
  5. Herroberst

    Herroberst Senior Member

    Well Jim,

    I wasn't saying you were wrong but you do throw the Hagis in the fire now and then.
     
  6. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    That's the thing, I don't think you are.

    Do you mean I'm not accountable, or that I am saying what I mean properly?

    :confused:
     
  7. Herroberst

    Herroberst Senior Member

    I am saying what I mean properly!


    There and mit confidence Meine Herren.:cool:

    Oh and thanks for closing Historians.

    And Did you know her majesty the Queen has a real sense of humor?
    I was watching a special about the Windsors and she has a quiet but funny sense. God Bless her. But she seemed also lonely.
     
  8. Panzerfaust

    Panzerfaust Senior Member

    I just wanted to ask all you British and American History Buffs. How do You Feel about how Britain and America Betrayed Poland, specifically about the little to no aid that poland received from Britain, and why America and Britain gave up Poland to the Soviet Union rather than helping Poland as an allied deserved.

    Because Poland isn't worth anything! Their army is laughable! France has some nice cities, and nice tourist attractions and that's about it. But Poland has nothing of interest! Hitler wanted to conquer Poland first because he knew that it was the weakest and wasn't really worth anything. I hate to put it like that, but that's the bitter truth.
     
  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I just wanted to ask all you British and American History Buffs. How do You Feel about how Britain and America Betrayed Poland, specifically about the little to no aid that poland received from Britain, and why America and Britain gave up Poland to the Soviet Union rather than helping Poland as an allied deserved.
    I always squirm at the thought of Polish troops not being allowed to march in the Final big Victory Parade after such a magnificent show.(Misguided attempt at keeping Stalin sweet) i gain some comfort from the fact that many of the people who had to ask them not to squirmed about it for the rest of their lives...
     
  10. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Because Poland isn't worth anything! Their army is laughable! France has some nice cities, and nice tourist attractions and that's about it. But Poland has nothing of interest! Hitler wanted to conquer Poland first because he knew that it was the weakest and wasn't really worth anything. I hate to put it like that, but that's the bitter truth.
    I wouldnt quite say that they were worthless Panzerfaust. Sure they were beaten when their country was invaded but up to that time no army had everr faced "Blitzkrieg" before. Polish troops fighting on the Allied side were some of the most determined and brave troops facing the Germans
     
  11. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Because Poland isn't worth anything! Their army is laughable! France has some nice cities, and nice tourist attractions and that's about it. But Poland has nothing of interest! Hitler wanted to conquer Poland first because he knew that it was the weakest and wasn't really worth anything. I hate to put it like that, but that's the bitter truth.

    Mr P. Faust? ;)
    When I was 14 i might have shared your view on Poland, but then as years go by i've read of Polish fighter aces, (a Polish squadon scored more kills in the battle of britain than any other) protracted and dangerous Polish escapes from occupied territory purely in order to fight their hated Enemy, (which on most occaisions the Poles did with great ferocity and Elan) and tales of truly Heroic defence against the Panzers...
    Don't forget mate that they were the first to bear the full brunt of the Blitzkrieg, an attack that took the whole of Europe by (military)surprise, the first attacked was almost bound to fall under that assault, the German troops were at their freshest, keenest and most well prepared and still the Poles performed remarkably well with relatively archaic equipment, don't believe tales of an immediate Polish collapse, it didn't happen. They virtually invented Parachute based warfare, and if you want to find out about the astonishing fighting resilience of the Polish people check out the Warsaw Uprising.
    I promise you that as you go on with an interest in ww2 (and i hope you do stay interested) you'll notice how all through the war there are Poles who really stand out as true 'warriors' fighting with a hatred and determination often not seen amongst the other allies,
    Poland was treated dreadfully badly during and (most importantly,) after the war, your feeling that they were worthless is an old trace of Soviet Propaganda and Western guilt that i'm sure you'll get over,
    try this link to start finding out that the 'Fighting Poles' were far from worthless,
    http://www.polandinexile.com/
    ;)
     
  12. jimbotosome

    jimbotosome Discharged

    Mr P. Faust? ;)
    When I was 14 i might have shared your view on Poland, but then as years go by i've read of Polish fighter aces, (a Polish squadon scored more kills in the battle of britain than any other) protracted and dangerous Polish escapes from occupied territory purely in order to fight their hated Enemy, (which on most occaisions the Poles did with great ferocity and Elan) and tales of truly Heroic defence against the Panzers...
    Don't forget mate that they were the first to bear the full brunt of the Blitzkrieg, an attack that took the whole of Europe by (military)surprise, the first attacked was almost bound to fall under that assault, the German troops were at their freshest, keenest and most well prepared and still the Poles performed remarkably well with relatively archaic equipment, don't believe tales of an immediate Polish collapse, it didn't happen. They virtually invented Parachute based warfare, and if you want to find out about the astonishing fighting resilience of the Polish people check out the Warsaw Uprising.
    I promise you that as you go on with an interest in ww2 (and i hope you do stay interested) you'll notice how all through the war there are Poles who really stand out as true 'warriors' fighting with a hatred and determination often not seen amongst the other allies,
    Poland was treated dreadfully badly during and (most importantly,) after the war, your feeling that they were worthless is an old trace of Soviet Propaganda and Western guilt that i'm sure you'll get over,
    try this link to start finding out that the 'Fighting Poles' were far from worthless,
    http://www.polandinexile.com/
    ;)
    Polish fighter pilots had a reputation of being fearless to the point of reckless. The war for them was ultra-personal.
     
  13. Panzerfaust

    Panzerfaust Senior Member

    Polish fighter pilots had a reputation of being fearless to the point of reckless. The war for them was ultra-personal.

    Interesting..
     
  14. marek_pk

    marek_pk Senior Member

    I always squirm at the thought of Polish troops not being allowed to march in the Final big Victory Parade after such a magnificent show.(Misguided attempt at keeping Stalin sweet) i gain some comfort from the fact that many of the people who had to ask them not to squirmed about it for the rest of their lives...


    Polish Veterans took part in the 60th Anniversary Victory Parade in London on 10th July 2005.
     
  15. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Polish Veterans took part in the 60th Anniversary Victory Parade in London on 10th July 2005.

    Aware of that mate, tear in the eye stuff but for me it didn't quite compensate for 60 years of (unwilling) official insult. Bit like the convoy medal saga, it shouldn't be so difficuilt to say 'Thank you'.
     
  16. marek_pk

    marek_pk Senior Member

    Aware of that mate, tear in the eye stuff but for me it didn't quite compensate for 60 years of (unwilling) official insult. Bit like the convoy medal saga, it shouldn't be so difficuilt to say 'Thank you'.


    Guessed you would be aware of it.
    Wasn't sure how many others would be, hence the statement.
    Not intended to imply it was compensation.
     
  17. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Nothing can compensate for that insult. All that can be done is move on.:mad:
     

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