BEF Vehicles

Discussion in '1940' started by JCB, Feb 18, 2011.

  1. singeager

    singeager Senior Member

    Hi guys

    Can any of you vehicle number experts shed any light on this image?

    I think its BEF car, by the vehicle being a MK 1 scout car.

    thanks

    singe
     

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  2. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    That's an odd one. Neither of the Arm of Service plates have corps or GHQ bars but '78' is too high a number for a division in 1940 and '13' doesn't seem to have been used at divisonal level after that.

    The hollow circle suggests 'C' company or squadron of an armoured division.

    The vegetation and surface scree don't immediately suggest any area of France or Belgium that I recognise from 1940 photographs. Could it be Crete ?
     
  3. Orwell1984

    Orwell1984 Senior Member

    Hi guys

    Can any of you vehicle number experts shed any light on this image?

    I think its BEF car, by the vehicle being a MK 1 scout car.

    thanks

    singe

    The name of the jpg gives a clue to the location of the vehicle. It contains the phrase grecja41 which is Polish for "Greece41". So I think Rich may be on the right track with Crete or Greece as a location.
     
  4. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    The name of the jpg gives a clue to the location of the vehicle. It contains the phrase grecja41 which is Polish for "Greece41". So I think Rich may be on the right track with Crete or Greece as a location.

    Doh, why didn't I notice that ? Too focussed on the AoS plates.:rolleyes:
     
  5. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    Two photos from my original negs of a Humber car in German use [ WH ] as red cross veh. click image to enlarge.
    Keith
     

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  6. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    Two more of a Humber car, from my collection.
    Keith
     

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  7. JCB

    JCB Senior Member

    XBEF Bedford OS tipper , whch apart from crash damage looks almost new and a AEC Regal half cab coach , some of these coaches can be seen in the Pathe films OF BEF on Cherbourg quayside and a shot up Ford ( I think)
    Craig
     

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  8. May1940

    May1940 Senior Member

    Strange collection Craig. I will have a look for the AEC coaches at Cherbourg.

    I am not sure that the shot-up vehicle in the next picture is BEF. I think it may be French?

    Finally the tipper looks like it may be in civilian colours. Given the German soldier could it be in Jersey?

    Andrew
     
  9. JCB

    JCB Senior Member

    AEC coach / bus - when I first watched Pathe FILM 'Second BEF Back Home' SECOND BEF HOME AGAIN - British Pathe , couldn't work out why there was a random shot of the back of a British civilian coach in the en France part of the film . But noticed later British coaches are parked on the quayside in the French port. (maybe not Cherbourg ?)
    The Bedford tipper- could be Jersey or a captured BEF newish one , believe BEF were taking new trucks straight off UK production lines.
    Think your right wrecked truck looks French .
    Craig
     

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  10. chrisgrove

    chrisgrove Senior Member

    The shot-up Ford looks like a WOT1 or WOT3 to me.

    Chris
     
  11. JCB

    JCB Senior Member

    A selection of BEF artillery and limbers and a solitary carrier (in Calais?)
     

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  12. chrisgrove

    chrisgrove Senior Member

    Nice pics. The first shows a french 25mm AT gun in foreground with No 27 limbers behind and what looks to me like a couple of 18 pounders with Martin-Parry conversions behind them. They look too high off the ground for the normal pneumatic wheel versions and thus would be 18 pounders rather than 18/25, but that is only my humble opinion.

    The second one shows a Scout Carrier with the armoured flap open at right rear.

    Chris
     
  13. May1940

    May1940 Senior Member

    Nice pics. The first shows a french 25mm AT gun in foreground with No 27 limbers behind and what looks to me like a couple of 18 pounders with Martin-Parry conversions behind them. They look too high off the ground for the normal pneumatic wheel versions and thus would be 18 pounders rather than 18/25, but that is only my humble opinion.

    The second one shows a Scout Carrier with the armoured flap open at right rear.

    Chris

    I agree Chris, they are 18 pounders. Bottom right there is also a rather distressed-looking 2 pounder anti-tank gun.

    Andrew
     
  14. JCB

    JCB Senior Member

    Shame no markings visible.
    Craig
     
  15. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I'm quite pleased with this photo, taken today. I might chance my luck on eBay with it ! :)

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  16. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Where's the 'Now' pic to go with it? ;)
     
  17. JCB

    JCB Senior Member

    Need to take the wheels off :)
     
  18. chrisgrove

    chrisgrove Senior Member

    Background looks more like 1815 than 1940!
    Chris
     
  19. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Background looks more like 1815 than 1940!
    Chris

    It was there in 1940 Chris :). There was no fighting although it must have been used as a vantage point as at 82m above sea-level, it is the highest point in the parish with views to Liege and Tienen.

    This is my latest photo acquisition (not arrived yet) - A WD Norton 16H (what else ?) that has fallen into the wrong hands.

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    The 'K' would indicate Panzer Group Kleist and it looks to have a stencilled cross in a circle and I wonder if this is 13th Motorized Infantry Division who were involved at Calais ? They were back in Germany by July and the bike is not really modified yet so it is probably a June / July 1940 image.
     
  20. chrisgrove

    chrisgrove Senior Member

    Rich

    I'm not disputing that the farm was there in 1940! Just goes to show that farm design in Northern France and Belgium hadn't changed a lot since Waterloo! Maybe it had been there since 1815.

    Chris
     

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