Again,.. lets not talk about which is best, or worst, on the paper, Iowa was the most advanced BB at that time, however, perhaps there's another reason for us to go for our own choice... Let start from my self,.. I would definetely go for Yamato,.. the looks!,..the size!. the Guns!.. simply awesome.. I always love Yamato from my early years,.. I even did its 1/350 models from Tamiya. It's a shame that it was never bark its 18" guns at a descend target.. cheers Gumalangi
The Iowa class was always my favorite. They had the sterngth, mobility, and flexibility, as evidenced by their long careers. New Jersey served in four wars. Missouri and Wisconsin opened the first Gulf War.
The Yamato was an impressive ship, but I will take an Iowa in a ship to ship duel. First off the Iowa can probably "see" the Yamato first, because of it's superior radar. It's gunnery control, coupled with it's radar, also means it will almost certainly draw first blood. Look at Bismarck vs Hood to see how important that is. The Iowas speed is such that it controls the engagement, similar to having "the weather guage" in sailing ship days. That means that it controls the range at which the battle is fought. It also means Iowa can engage and disengage at it's choosing. They could shadow the Yamato until night when the American's radar gives it a huge advantage. As big as the Yamato's guns are they aren't all that great. The Iowa throws nearly as much lead, and with superior fire control is going to hit much more often. You might be interested in this site that compares the battleships of the major nations. It rates Iowa number one, with the South Dakota class pretty highly rated also. http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm
Originally posted by halfyank@Jun 22 2005, 08:05 PM The Yamato was an impressive ship, but I will take an Iowa in a ship to ship duel. http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm [post=35682]Quoted post[/post] Cannot agree more,.. as stated earlier on,.. in a matter of technology, Iowa above the rest as it serve 4 wars, for about 5 decades,.. 18' cal 45 sure no match for 16' cal 50.... but then again,.. it is like spitfire to Me212,.. people do choose spitfire than me262 base on whatever other reason,..
A lot depends on the command, crews and refitting/modification. It is difficult to compare like-with-like, especially with regard to radar and fire control systems. The Hood was flawed from the outset - battlecruiser, look at Jutland - and pre-1939 "showing the flag" prevented long-awaited re-armouring. Similarly, Nelson and Rodney were constrained due to the 1921 naval treaties (hence their gun turret arrangement).
Not being remotely close to an expert on warships, I'd have to say Iowa class, based soely on their achievements during & after the war.
Iowa class by far, everything was good about it, as shown by the website, a great alround battleship with a long and great service career.
Originally posted by Kiwiwriter@Jun 23 2005, 02:05 PM I will add that Hood was one of the most beautiful ships ever. [post=35720]Quoted post[/post] Must agree,.. regret missed that from the poll,.. brits bbs or battle cuisers were also my favourites,.. managed to build some water line models of Hood, King george V and renown,.. prior to Yamato,.. Nelson/Rodney were my stars of the sea.. cheers
Originally posted by GUMALANGI+Jun 23 2005, 09:58 AM-->(GUMALANGI @ Jun 23 2005, 09:58 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Kiwiwriter@Jun 23 2005, 02:05 PM I will add that Hood was one of the most beautiful ships ever. [post=35720]Quoted post[/post] Must agree,.. regret missed that from the poll,.. brits bbs or battle cuisers were also my favourites,.. managed to build some water line models of Hood, King george V and renown,.. prior to Yamato,.. Nelson/Rodney were my stars of the sea.. cheers [post=35726]Quoted post[/post] [/b] I'll give another vote to the Hood being the most beautiful ships ever. See my picture alongside my name. Oh, and Gumlangi if you're interested I understand Tamiya is coming out with a "Battle of the Denmark Strait" kit. It includes the Hood and the HMS Electra in 1/700 scale. The Electra is included because she's the destroyer that picked up the three Hood survivors. I'm not getting the kit, I think it's way overpriced for a re-released Hood and a new destroyer kit. I'll just pick up the older Tamiya Hood to go along with my Italeri and Airfix kits. Can't have too many Hood sets.
It seems that Hood had a special place amongst sailors in the Interwar period. Many who served on her felt privileged and recalled their service fondly. (I suppose an endless round of exotic postings whilst showing the flag helped a bit.) Been great to see her bombing along at 30kts+ with her bow almost out of the water. Richard
Originally posted by halfyank@Jun 27 2005, 04:46 PM [ and Gumlangi if you're interested I understand Tamiya is coming out with a "Battle of the Denmark Strait" kit. It includes the Hood and the HMS Electra in 1/700 scale. The Electra is included because she's the destroyer that picked up the three Hood survivors. I'm not getting the kit, I think it's way overpriced for a re-released Hood and a new destroyer kit. I'll just pick up the older Tamiya Hood to go along with my Italeri and Airfix kits. Can't have too many Hood sets. [post=35900]Quoted post[/post] For me,.. be it Tamiya or Hasegawa,.. or anything else,.. as in here,.. Tamiya seems has the most product and easy to get.,. Shame there is no 1/350 of Hood.. otherwise sure will snatch for one... You're saying you have few hood's model??,... thats nice,.. can share the pic? Cheers
Originally posted by halfyank+Jun 27 2005, 12:46 PM-->(halfyank @ Jun 27 2005, 12:46 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by GUMALANGI@Jun 23 2005, 09:58 AM <!--QuoteBegin-Kiwiwriter@Jun 23 2005, 02:05 PM I will add that Hood was one of the most beautiful ships ever. [post=35720]Quoted post[/post] Must agree,.. regret missed that from the poll,.. brits bbs or battle cuisers were also my favourites,.. managed to build some water line models of Hood, King george V and renown,.. prior to Yamato,.. Nelson/Rodney were my stars of the sea.. cheers [post=35726]Quoted post[/post] I'll give another vote to the Hood being the most beautiful ships ever. See my picture alongside my name. Oh, and Gumlangi if you're interested I understand Tamiya is coming out with a "Battle of the Denmark Strait" kit. It includes the Hood and the HMS Electra in 1/700 scale. The Electra is included because she's the destroyer that picked up the three Hood survivors. I'm not getting the kit, I think it's way overpriced for a re-released Hood and a new destroyer kit. I'll just pick up the older Tamiya Hood to go along with my Italeri and Airfix kits. Can't have too many Hood sets. [post=35900]Quoted post[/post] [/b] Don't torture us....let us know when this comes out. I already have a "Prince of Wales."
Originally posted by DirtyDick@Jun 27 2005, 06:55 PM It seems that Hood had a special place amongst sailors in the Interwar period. Many who served on her felt privileged and recalled their service fondly. (I suppose an endless round of exotic postings whilst showing the flag helped a bit.) Been great to see her bombing along at 30kts+ with her bow almost out of the water. Richard [post=35905]Quoted post[/post] Indeed,... visited http://www.hmshood.com , today,.. interesting site
Don't torture us....let us know when this comes out. I already have a "Prince of Wales." Here is all I have so far. http://www.tamiya.com/english/shs05/report/news4.htm Scroll down about two thirds of the way. From what I've seen it's going to retail at about $40 US. That's over twice what the Hood alone normally goes for. I've seen it in shops for $15 US, and on line even less. It doesn't mention anything about any changes done to the Hood, so it's still a decades old kit. I'm not at all sure I'd pay $20 to $25 more for a 1/700 destroyer. I'm personally going to pass on it. You're saying you have few hood's model??,... thats nice,.. can share the pic? Just the kits so far, none I've finished. Soon as I do I'll post. The one I'm working on now is the Airfix 1/600 HMS Warspite. I'll post them as soon as I finish.
You missed out the Queen Elizabeths - Warspite holds the record for the longest-range moving hit at sea, remember, and that's a fact. My vote has to go to Rodney, though. Ugly in layout, lacking in speed and poor in handling as she was, it was her gunfire that subdued the Bismarck, that scored the significant hits, and delivered steady, continued shooting for more than an hour whilst her companion's guns were repeatedly breaking down. It may even have been her huge torpedos that finally put the Bismarck on the bottom. Whatever the Iowas' capabilities may have been, they missed the show. By the time they were on the scene, there was little chance of a gun action against comparable opponents. And it's actual deeds with a ship that count, not might-have-beens. Regards, MikB
Originally posted by halfyank@Jun 27 2005, 06:34 PM Don't torture us....let us know when this comes out. I already have a "Prince of Wales." Here is all I have so far. http://www.tamiya.com/english/shs05/report/news4.htm Scroll down about two thirds of the way. From what I've seen it's going to retail at about $40 US. That's over twice what the Hood alone normally goes for. I've seen it in shops for $15 US, and on line even less. It doesn't mention anything about any changes done to the Hood, so it's still a decades old kit. I'm not at all sure I'd pay $20 to $25 more for a 1/700 destroyer. I'm personally going to pass on it. You're saying you have few hood's model??,... thats nice,.. can share the pic? Just the kits so far, none I've finished. Soon as I do I'll post. The one I'm working on now is the Airfix 1/600 HMS Warspite. I'll post them as soon as I finish. [post=35927]Quoted post[/post] Thanks for that information. I don't think I'll buy the model when it comes out immediately, either, but I bookmarked the page. Where have you seen 1/700 warship models on-line?
Originally posted by MikB@Jun 28 2005, 04:57 AM You missed out the Queen Elizabeths - Warspite holds the record for the longest-range moving hit at sea, remember, and that's a fact. My vote has to go to Rodney, though. Ugly in layout, lacking in speed and poor in handling as she was, it was her gunfire that subdued the Bismarck, that scored the significant hits, and delivered steady, continued shooting for more than an hour whilst her companion's guns were repeatedly breaking down. It may even have been her huge torpedos that finally put the Bismarck on the bottom. Whatever the Iowas' capabilities may have been, they missed the show. By the time they were on the scene, there was little chance of a gun action against comparable opponents. And it's actual deeds with a ship that count, not might-have-beens. Regards, MikB [post=35933]Quoted post[/post] Yes, the QE class should have been included -- the first oil-powered battleships, they saw action from Gallipoli to Walcheren. Warspite did indeed set every endurance record, including serving as flagship at not one but two surrenders of enemy fleets, the Germans in 1918 and the Italians in 1943.
Gumalangi - Hope you don't mind: I have added Queen Elizabeth Class to the contestants, as suggested by MikB. Cheers Richard
