Barbarossa by Alan Clark. Anyone read it?

Discussion in 'Books, Films, TV, Radio' started by Jonathan Ball, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. Jonathan Ball

    Jonathan Ball It's a way of life.

    Thinking of ordering this to accompany my other titles on the same fascinating subject.

    Is it any good? Does it appear to be well researched or is it just enjoyable anecdotal tosh like The Donkeys?

    All thoughts and opinions most welcome.

    Cheers

    JB
     
  2. Combover

    Combover Guest

    I thought it was excellent. It's always hard when one author tries to cover everything in one volume but I think he made a very good show of it.

    His grammar needs to be better though.
     
  3. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    To be quite frank it's one of those books that are all thick and detailed until Summer 1943 (Kursk And All That), and then quickly skims over the rest, that is when the Germans started their long and unstopped retreat and it wasn't fun any more. I gave my copy to a charity long ago.
     
  4. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    I read it many moons ago and more or less agree with Za' assessment, although I still have my copy.
     
  5. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Za pretty much sums it up. For its time it was a worthwhile read but there are much better books out there about the conflict. I still have my copy though! :)
     
  6. Jonathan Ball

    Jonathan Ball It's a way of life.

    So in summary it's fairly comprehensive up to the summer of 1943 and then a bit slim afterwards.

    I note that nobody has commented with doubts on the book's veracity so for that reason I will pick a copy of it up. In terms of better books about the conflict I would think there are few better than those of Richard Overy and Robert Kershaw.

    Thanks

    JB
     
  7. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Agreed with the second paragraph, although by Kershaw I suppose you mean Ian, and by Overy perhaps you mean "Russia's War" :)

    Veracity? Yes, but only worth until Stalingrad, after that it's rather hurried as I said to the point of becoming more considerations than history. Certainly not up to the level of the first part.

    For the other side, perhaps you might like to consider John Erickson's twosome: Road to Stalingrad & Road to Berlin. An "before-Perestroika" work but worth it's weight in platinum.
     
  8. Jonathan Ball

    Jonathan Ball It's a way of life.

    Thanks Za. I do actually mean Robert Kershaw. A very underrated Historian whose work 'War without Garlands' is well worth a read.

    War Without Garlands: Operation Barbarossa 1941-1942: Amazon.co.uk: Robert Kershaw: Books

    Thanks for the Erikson suggestion. I was having a look at them on Amazon earlier. Incidentally, I picked up a copy of Vasily Grossman's A Writer at War yesterday. I'm sure you will agree that in any conflict it is always wisest to study the actions of both sides objectively?

    Thanks again.

    JB
     
  9. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Mate at worked offered to loan me his but I passed , I'll stick to the David M Glantz one's I have .
    I must reread them soon.
     
  10. Jonathan Ball

    Jonathan Ball It's a way of life.

  11. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Have you got the Glantz book on Kursk, Owen?


    no sorry, only got 3,
    Barbarossa
    When Titans Clashed
    Siege of Leningrad
     
  12. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    I enjoyed Kershaws books, It never snows in September is one of my alltime favs!
     
  13. kopite

    kopite Member

    Another book is Russia at War: 1941-1945 by Alexander Werth. He was a Russian born journalist who emigrated to Britain in 1917 when he was a teenager. He was a correspondent for the Sunday Times and was on the eastern front for almost the entire war. A great read.
     
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  14. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member

    Anything by Richard Overy is brilliant. He was my tutor at King's College years ago and he was impressive then.

    FdeP
     
  15. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Thanks Za. I do actually mean Robert Kershaw. A very underrated Historian whose work 'War without Garlands' is well worth a read.

    I'm sure you will agree that in any conflict it is always wisest to study the actions of both sides objectively?



    a) I wasn't aware of Robert Kershaw, thank you!

    b) It goes without saying that I agree with you :)
     
  16. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    I've read "War without Garlands" by Kershaw and I'd recommend it also. Its a great read about the initial year of the Great Patriotic War.
     
  17. Jonathan Ball

    Jonathan Ball It's a way of life.

    Gerard

    Are there any less well known yet easily accessible studies of this conflict that you would recommend?
     
  18. Orwell1984

    Orwell1984 Senior Member

    I've read "War without Garlands" by Kershaw and I'd recommend it also. Its a great read about the initial year of the Great Patriotic War.
    Third this recommendation.
    Robert Kershaw Author and Military Analyst
    Didn't realize he was the same Robert Kershaw who wrote Tank Men too.
     
  19. Orwell1984

    Orwell1984 Senior Member

    Gerard

    Are there any less well known yet easily accessible studies of this conflict that you would recommend?

    I'd recommend the following books on the war in the East myself

    Amazon.com: Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler's Defeat in the East, 1942-1943 (Modern War Studies) (9780700608768): Joel S. A. Hayward: Books

    One of the best studies on the failure of the Stalingrad airlift.

    Amazon.com: Ivan's War: Life and Death in the Red Army, 1939-1945 (9780312426521): Catherine Merridale: Books

    Good social history of the Red Army

    Amazon.com: Stalin's Reluctant Soldiers: A Social History of the Red Army, 1925-1941 (Modern War Studies) (9780700607723): Roger R. Reese: Books

    http://www.amazon.com/Why-Stalins-Soldiers-Fought-Effectiveness/dp/0700617760/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1324062916&sr=1-1

    All Reese's works are great.

    Also enjoyed Mark Healy's work already mentioned and hearing good things about this book
    http://www.amazon.com/BLOOD-STEEL-MYTH-II-SS-Panzer-Korps-Prochorowka/dp/0974838942/ref=pd_sim_b_6

    Leaping Horseman Books | Specialising in Stalingrad and Eastern Front Publications
    is an amazing eastern front publisher with some very well written and researched books but the books are pricey
     
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  20. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Nolo contendere, George1984 :)
     

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