Axis Vs Jap.

Discussion in 'General' started by Paratrooper, Jul 13, 2004.

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Who would win the axis or jap if they fought?

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  1. Paratrooper

    Paratrooper Junior Member

    Personaly i think that Axis would have won...They had mutch better tanks and aircraft.Japan may have had a better navy but didnt use its submarines correctly and probaly would have been whiped out by U-boats.Japan had a more Commited army but the tank factor realy hurts Japan.
     
  2. Will O'Brien

    Will O'Brien Member

    Paratrooper................Depends on where you pick as the location for the conflict.............I think 'home' advantage would play a big part in any theoretical conflict between these two. Wouldn't fancy the chances of the Axis powers in the steaming jungles of Indo-China as all the U-boats & Tiger tanks in the world wouldn't make a jot of difference.............If it was a conflict on the plains of Eastern Europe that would be another thing.
     
  3. Thomas McCall

    Thomas McCall Senior Member

    The axis fighting the Japanese would be the same to fighting the Russians in respect to there sucidal bravery in the field. Therefore the Japanese fighting anywhere would still make a hard opponent
     
  4. Brummy

    Brummy Member

    with two apponents fighting over such a distance Naval and air power is everything. Japs had aircraft carriers Axis did not = Japanese victory.

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  5. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

    with two apponents fighting over such a distance Naval and air power is everything. Japs had aircraft carriers Axis did not = Japanese victory.


    given the distance that they would have to travel and the advance warning it would give and the superiority of the U-boats, then I do not think that the Japanese carriers would be much of a problem.

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  6. Thomas McCall

    Thomas McCall Senior Member

    I agree with Morse 1001 the Axis U-boat fleet was extremely effective and probably would have tipped the balance of naval strengh in favour of the Axis. But we musn't forget that aircraft destroyed more german u-boats than any other weapon.
     
  7. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

    what we must not forget was that the u-boat service suffered such heavy losses because of the cracking of enigma machine, which meant that the allies could read the signals of the u-boats.

    The availablity of HF/DF to plot the HF signals from the U-boats.

    The introduction of RADAR on Aircraft

    the introduction of VLR aircraft to close the gap

    The introduction of the liegh light on aircraft.

    Japaneses radar was not so advanced as ours, their crypto services were very weak and they did not have the very long range aircraft at their disposal


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  8. angie999

    angie999 Very Senior Member

    The Japanese merchant fleet was cut to pieces by the US submarines in the Pacific. Japan was very vulnerable to submarine attacks - as long as there were bases such as Pearl Harbor to operate them from.

    But are we not forgetting something here? Surely the Japanese were part of the Axis.

    And just why would Germany or Italy fight Japan? The Japanese attacked the Americans and British because they were rival powers in Asia and the Pacific. The Germans and Italians were not.
     

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  9. Brummy

    Brummy Member

    Originally posted by morse1001@Jul 14 2004, 11:58 AM

    given the distance that they would have to travel and the advance warning it would give and the superiority of the U-boats, then I do not think that the Japanese carriers would be much of a problem.

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    Ah! but what if it was the Axis traveling the large distance for an offensive on Japan?
    How long would a U boat be able to operate in the Pacific after traveling from a German or Italian harbour before it would have to start looking for a 'Milk cow' re-supply boat? And without any opposition Japanese aircraft could play merry hell with uboat opperations and cut to pieces any surface fleet sent.

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  10. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

    Originally posted by Brummy@Jul 14 2004, 07:35 PM

    Ah! but what if it was the Axis traveling the large distance for an offensive on Japan?
    How long would a U boat be able to operate in the Pacific after traveling from a German or Italian harbour before it would have to start looking for a 'Milk cow' re-supply boat? And without any opposition Japanese aircraft could play merry hell with uboat opperations and cut to pieces any surface fleet sent.

    Brum
    Any large surface fleet sent by germany would include things like a submarine tender, flak ships and repair vessels.

    it would not be a raggle taggle fleet.

    Also, very few american subs were sunk by japanese naval Air power.
     
  11. Brummy

    Brummy Member

    Originally posted by morse1001@Jul 14 2004, 08:42 PM

    Also, very few american subs were sunk by japanese naval Air power.
    American forces had quite a lot of air power available to them, from carriers, island bases etc. Any axis naval forces operating in the Pacific against the Japanese would be totaly lacking in air cover, therefore the Japanese air forces would have free range to strike at subs. a totaly different situation to that which the Americans faced.

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  12. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

    given the lack of asv radar and sonnar fitted to jap aircraft and ships then they would have to employ large numbers of assests to find the sub.

    also, I know it is hyperthetical but I am sure the axis would try and capture some form of bridgehead with which to maintain a base in the area.
     
  13. Thomas McCall

    Thomas McCall Senior Member

    Angie 999 this is just a bit of fun by looking at the possible what if's of a war between these nations.
     
  14. Brummy

    Brummy Member

    Originally posted by Thomas McCall@Jul 15 2004, 04:42 PM
    Angie 999 this is just a bit of fun by looking at the possible what if's of a war between these nations.
    I agree a lot of fun and we have not even started to suggest how both sides would try and court friendship with neutral powers yet fos use of harbours re-supply etc.

    Brum
     
  15. Thomas McCall

    Thomas McCall Senior Member

    I doubt Britain would let the Japanese or Axis use any of the ports in the Empire such as Singapore but I suppose many neutral nations would make millions of pound from selling arms to the nations.
     
  16. angie999

    angie999 Very Senior Member

    Originally posted by Thomas McCall@Jul 15 2004, 04:42 PM
    Angie 999 this is just a bit of fun by looking at the possible what if's of a war between these nations.
    Yeah, but stodgy old me, I just have a thing about counterfactual history.

    There are a few more credible "what ifs" in the war against Japan, such as;

    - could the fall of Singapore have been prevented?

    - what if the US carriers were at Pearl Harbor when the Japanese attacked?

    - what if the Japanese had tried to invade Australia?
     
  17. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

    could the fall of Singapore have been prevented?

    Yes! The defence of singapore was wargamed in Quettra Staff college and the nearest model they created that matched the actual events was dome in 1926. The then Lt Col Percival was one of the men how took part in that wargame!

    However, to successfully implement the defence upgrades would require money which no one was prepared to provide!


    what if the US carriers were at Pearl Harbor when the Japanese attacked?



    Difficult call that one, the american carriers had wooden decking as opposed to the armoured ones on RN ships and so were very vulnerable. Also, their aircraft would have been deployed ashore and as it was a sunday, the crews would have been off duty.

    what if the Japanese had tried to invade Australia?

    The plan was to fall back into the outback, where the japanese were not trained for and thier loc would be extended and be subjected to attack by the allies.

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