Australian Ski Troops

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  1. Kyt

    Kyt Very Senior Member

    Short article from The World at War :


    Australian Ski Troops
    by Garth

    Over the long white hills they go,
    Whish of the ski and spray of snow;
    Death cannot halt for anything,
    Death cannot wait for early spring.
    Death in the snow is soft and sweet,
    A blanket warm, a pristine sheet,
    A drowsy morphine, heavy shroud,
    The fleeting tombstone of a cloud.
    Theirs is a world of lonely things,
    A frightened fox, a whirr of wings,
    A stifled echo through the trees,
    The eerie whisperings of the breeze.
    Onward they glide, in search of life,
    Rucksack and rifle, compass and knife,
    Theirs is no mountain health resort;
    True, this is snow - but death the sport.
    Lebanon, January 1942
    NX 52009
    Source: "Soldiering On - The Australian Army at home and overseas"
    'prepared by some of the boys' - Australian War Memorial Press, 1942.
    Page 71. Australian Ski Troops

    The fact of Australian Ski troops in World War Two is not very well known both here and abroad.

    In 1941 Australian troops formed the majority of the British and Commonwealth forces taking part in their invasion of Vichy French held Syria. For the second time in 23 years - the Australian Infantryman was fighting the enemy in the "Holy Land".

    The Australian 7th Division consisted the main Allied force in the bloody 5 week campaign against Vichy French, French Colonial and French Foreign Legionaires. The hilly and difficult terrain and conditions providing excellent defensive positions for the enemy.

    Within the mountainous area inland from the Mediterranean Sea the high country of Syria and Lebanon is regulary under snowy conditions during the Winter months. The Australian command, realising the need for some form of mobile Infantry in snow country, formed the nucleus of a ski patrol from Australians with experience of ski-ing. Volunteers were sought from within the Division, snow equipment was provided from various sources and training staff allocated.

    At the Cedars, one of the snow places of Lebanon, the ski patrol had its training camp, and in a short time had built up a force ready to take the field under Syria's most trying conditions. Their main purpose was reconaissance and patrolling of the mountinous range.

    Fortunately, the ski patrol did not have to be used operationally against the enemy. They were disbanded late in 1941 and were placed back into their 'home' units within the 7th Division in time for their embarkation for another diverse, and mountainous battlefield. . .the Kokoda Trail.

    The Australian infantry soldier adapted himself to many varied and trying conditions in World War Two - from the deserts of Libya and Egypt, to the jungles, swamps and heavy ranges of Papua and New Guinea and in the high snowy peaks of Syria and Lebanon.

    Australian troops engaged in the Syrian campaign totalled 18,000. This compared with 9000 British, 2000 Indian and 5000 Free French. Australian casualities in the campaign totalled 1600, two Australians were awarded the Victoria Cross. 3Sqd RAAF provided the main fighter strength of the campaign, and the RAN's Perth, Stuart and Nizam provided valued support of the invasion.

    Hopefully through this small article, I have raised some awareness of these unique diggers from both around Australia and throughout the world.
    by Garth
    Sources:
    "Soldiering On - The Australian Army at home and overseas" (see poem)
    "Diggers - The Australian Army, Navy and Airforce in eleven wars", George Odgers, Landsdowne Press Sydney 1994. ISBN 1 86302 385 2
     
  2. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Versatile buggers weren't they!
     
  3. Gnomey

    Gnomey World Travelling Doctor

    Certainly were! Didn't know they had ski troops but being that they had everything else it isn't really surprising.
     
  4. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    From
    The Australian Experience of War Illustrated Stories & Verse Selected by John Laird.
     

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  5. Kyt

    Kyt Very Senior Member

    No wonder they gave up on the idea - skiing on top of walls is never easy
     
  6. spider

    spider Very Senior Member

    Photo of dispatch rider training at the AIF Ski School Syria.

    My father is third from the end.
     

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  7. Kieron Hill

    Kieron Hill Senior Member

    The following three pictures were taken in Lebanon and Syria they came from an Engineers photo album you can now get a better picture of the terrain these ski troops would have had to cope with
     

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  8. Tomcat

    Tomcat Junior Member

    They certainly were versatile which makes them deadly to combat, since Australian forces have always and always will be unpredictable in battle. They created these ski troops (which even I hadn't heard of) they had a paratrooper regiment in ww2 as well members in the SAS, LRDG, Commando Regiments, Calvary Commando units, Pioneer regiments and many more. Thing with the Australian troops was that they never seemed to do what they were supposed to do, they retreated when they should, they attacked when they shoudn't which made them unpredictable and diffiuclt to combat. This was proven even today with teh war in IRAQ
     
  9. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Photo of dispatch rider training at the AIF Ski School Syria.

    My father is third from the end.

    The picture of the Australians in Syria is an interesting one as it is perhaps the only photograph (certainly the only one that I've ever seen) of motorcycles finished in 'Caunter' scheme.

    This drawing by Mike Starmer re-worked from a period manual shows the theory but the Australian Nortons seem to have an adapted form, a little more like that applied to larger vehicles.

    [​IMG]
     
  10. spider

    spider Very Senior Member

    The picture of the Australians in Syria is an interesting one as it is perhaps the only photograph (certainly the only one that I've ever seen) of motorcycles finished in 'Caunter' scheme.

    This drawing by Mike Starmer re-worked from a period manual shows the theory but the Australian Nortons seem to have an adapted form, a little more like that applied to larger vehicles.

    [​IMG]


    Just wish I could get hold of a better quality copy of the image.
    Alas it’s probably gone forever
    [FONT=&quot](Image from book Signals – Story of the Australian Corp of Signals - 1954)[/FONT]
     
  11. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Just wish I could get hold of a better quality copy of the image.
    Alas it’s probably gone forever
    [FONT=&quot](Image from book Signals – Story of the Australian Corp of Signals - 1954)[/FONT]

    Spider, it's your lucky day mate ! It's negative no. 011410 in the Australian War Memorial collection and you can purchase a copy on line !

    Australian War Memorial Collections Database

    They don't allow hotlinking but enter 011410 or if that fails, motorcycle and Lebanon

    p.s. Any chance of a high res scan when you've got it ?:D

    Cheers, Rich
     
  12. spider

    spider Very Senior Member

    Rich

    Have ordered a copy, was told before that they didn't have a copy at the AWM???

    Interesting description: 1942-01. SYRIA. - LEBANON. AUST. MOTORCYCLE PATROL IN TRAINING FOR DESPATCH RIDING DUTIES IN THE SNOW COUNTRY. 7TH DIVISION TRAINING PATROL, 2/33 BN.

    6th Division Signals were in Lebanon at the time and service records indicate that he was on a DR course, and as before he is the 3rd from the far end.

    Thanks for your help
     
  13. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    A chap in Australia restored a 16H using the photograph as his reference. I'm not actually sure about the colour shades and his pannier bags are large packs. (Panniers weren't fitted until 1941 production either).

    [​IMG]

    The only Caunter scheme motorcycle that I know of.
     
  14. Wildforestlad

    Wildforestlad Junior Member

    I attended Sydney Boys High School. Sir Roden Cutler VC was an 'old boy'of that school He was awarded his VC during the Syrian campaign and as such was 'made aware' of our Ski Troops during that campaign. It is not often made 'common knowledge' that this decorated soldier was awarded his VC for fighting the 'Vichy'. I have also read that during the Syrian campaign was the only time French Foreign Legionairres fought 'each other', there were De Gaulist Free French 'loyal' Legionairnes fighting 'Vichy Loyal' Legionairres, apprently no quarter was given in this internecine fraticide.
     
  15. Skier

    Skier Junior Member

    This is a photo of the 1st Aust Corps Ski School (L-R) Major James Riddell, Sgt Due, Cap C. Parsons, Capt R Mooney, Sgt L.S.Salmon (my father) Johnny Abbottsmith. From
    The Australian Experience of War Illustrated Stories & Verse Selected by John Laird.
     
  16. Skier

    Skier Junior Member

    I was researching the ski troops as I am writing a book. My father was one of six Australians chosen to teach troops to ski in combat in the Lebanon mountains during ww2. His commanding officer Major James Riddell wrote a book in 1956 'Dog in the Snow' which tells the story of the ski troops. I have not seen any photos of motor cycles in his album - so that was interesting. Short article from The World at War :


    Australian Ski Troops
    by Garth

    Over the long white hills they go,
    Whish of the ski and spray of snow;
    Death cannot halt for anything,
    Death cannot wait for early spring.
    Death in the snow is soft and sweet,
    A blanket warm, a pristine sheet,
    A drowsy morphine, heavy shroud,
    The fleeting tombstone of a cloud.
    Theirs is a world of lonely things,
    A frightened fox, a whirr of wings,
    A stifled echo through the trees,
    The eerie whisperings of the breeze.
    Onward they glide, in search of life,
    Rucksack and rifle, compass and knife,
    Theirs is no mountain health resort;
    True, this is snow - but death the sport.
    Lebanon, January 1942
    NX 52009
    Source: "Soldiering On - The Australian Army at home and overseas"
    'prepared by some of the boys' - Australian War Memorial Press, 1942.
    Page 71. Australian Ski Troops

    The fact of Australian Ski troops in World War Two is not very well known both here and abroad.

    In 1941 Australian troops formed the majority of the British and Commonwealth forces taking part in their invasion of Vichy French held Syria. For the second time in 23 years - the Australian Infantryman was fighting the enemy in the "Holy Land".

    The Australian 7th Division consisted the main Allied force in the bloody 5 week campaign against Vichy French, French Colonial and French Foreign Legionaires. The hilly and difficult terrain and conditions providing excellent defensive positions for the enemy.

    Within the mountainous area inland from the Mediterranean Sea the high country of Syria and Lebanon is regulary under snowy conditions during the Winter months. The Australian command, realising the need for some form of mobile Infantry in snow country, formed the nucleus of a ski patrol from Australians with experience of ski-ing. Volunteers were sought from within the Division, snow equipment was provided from various sources and training staff allocated.

    At the Cedars, one of the snow places of Lebanon, the ski patrol had its training camp, and in a short time had built up a force ready to take the field under Syria's most trying conditions. Their main purpose was reconaissance and patrolling of the mountinous range.

    Fortunately, the ski patrol did not have to be used operationally against the enemy. They were disbanded late in 1941 and were placed back into their 'home' units within the 7th Division in time for their embarkation for another diverse, and mountainous battlefield. . .the Kokoda Trail.

    The Australian infantry soldier adapted himself to many varied and trying conditions in World War Two - from the deserts of Libya and Egypt, to the jungles, swamps and heavy ranges of Papua and New Guinea and in the high snowy peaks of Syria and Lebanon.

    Australian troops engaged in the Syrian campaign totalled 18,000. This compared with 9000 British, 2000 Indian and 5000 Free French. Australian casualities in the campaign totalled 1600, two Australians were awarded the Victoria Cross. 3Sqd RAAF provided the main fighter strength of the campaign, and the RAN's Perth, Stuart and Nizam provided valued support of the invasion.

    Hopefully through this small article, I have raised some awareness of these unique diggers from both around Australia and throughout the world.
    by Garth
    Sources:
    "Soldiering On - The Australian Army at home and overseas" (see poem)
    "Diggers - The Australian Army, Navy and Airforce in eleven wars", George Odgers, Landsdowne Press Sydney 1994. ISBN 1 86302 385 2
     

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  17. canuck

    canuck Closed Account

    Interesting!
    I first thought this thread would be something like the Jamaican Bobsled Team!
     
  18. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Interesting!
    I first thought this thread would be something like the Jamaican Bobsled Team!

    I agree that snow and Australia is seen as strange.;)

    We do have snow resorts on the Australian Alps in the East of Australia in Victoria and New South Wales.

    You can ski on the Alps then drive to an ocean beach for a swim in 20c+ in a few hours.

    Cheers

    Geoff
     
  19. canuck

    canuck Closed Account

    I agree that snow and Australia is seen as strange.;)

    We do have snow resorts on the Australian Alps in the East of Australia in Victoria and New South Wales.

    You can ski on the Alps then drive to an ocean beach for a swim in 20c+ in a few hours.

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Thanks for that clarification Geoff. You learn something new every day. Many are surprised to find vineyards in Canada so every area has its own stereotypes.
     
  20. Jedburgh22

    Jedburgh22 Very Senior Member

    The Cedars of Lebanon continued as a British Army Ski Centre into the 1970s
     

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