Audie Murphy

Discussion in 'US Units' started by audiesdad, Nov 25, 2010.

  1. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    Jeff,
    Remember those E.F. Hutton TV commercials from a couple of decades past?
    When a Veteran speaks, we should all be quiet and listen.

    There are not many Veterans on this great forum. And, I for one welcome any and all comments from any of our Veterans, even though I may not agree with his or her opinion.

    I have no qualms about listening to and acknowleding discussion from a veteran in subjects in pertinent to his experience in the war. You will note that I have never once called into question anything Tom or any or the other good men here who served did themselves or personally saw during the war. Whereas, when we all delve into to politics, social issues or aspects of the war where the veterans of the war do not necessarily enjoy any initmate or direct knowledge of, such as the goings-on within a higher command or in another theater, that is a different matter. That would be like me offering informed comments on the machinations of Norman Swartzkoff's command during the 1992 war, had I been a soldier in one of the combat units he commanded then.

    I'm a little flabbergasted by this thread. We're here to honour a broad range of soldiers, irrespective of their nationality and background, and although this forum is UK/Commonwealth biased it doesn't exist in isolation.

    While personally I don't support the retrospective issue of medals when the recipient is deceased, I wish the original poster every success with his endeavour.
    I agree Paul.

    I feel exactly the same on that; always find those 'should have got a VC/GC/MoH things' a bit pointless; retrospective judgement on contemporary issues and all that.
    But I looked up this 'Medal of Freedom', and it's a different sort of thing - no gallantry medal, apparently more some kind of honorific that seems to have quite often been handed out posthumously as a tribute.
    Is that right, Septics? More a state tribute than a gallantry medal?

    Correct, Adam. It is a super-duper "attaboy" given on behalf of the President. It is more or less an award for being good at what you do. It can be given to "furriners." It is not an award for valor, but can be given to someone who showed valor in what he did.

    If you look back, I've not once encouraged or discouraged anyone from signing the petition. My dog in the fight was the dreadful way that the original poster was treated by some members of this good forum.

    On chatting with Veterans; I find it more interesting that the war was fought by ordinary blokes with ordinary bloke's opinions. The rough & tumble of Internettage is going to reflect that isn't it? I'm not sure automatic pedestals are 100% part of the WW2Talk 'vibe'. Can't we chat/disagree sometimes like normal human beans?
    Respect due, naturally, particularly on certain subjects of specific war experience, but the veterans (to me) are a certain definition of 'big boys' - more than capable of looking after themselves in most areas - I like it like that, talking with 'em on a mostly level playing field always seemed one of the charms of this place to me, long before I became admin that was one of the things I quite liked about WW2T.


    Ordinary blokes is right, Adam. In my previous career, I had a huge interaction with veterans, especially from that war, as they were in their 70s mostly then and just starting to have medical problems that needed hospitalizaton. To see and talk to most of them, you'd never known that they had seen the elephant. They were rightly proud of what they individually or as a group had done back then. They did not have Hollywood screenwriters embellishing their stories, but they were exciting, even those in the chairborne brigades.

    I've spent about 60 hours (so far) over the last summer and autumn talking with Old Hickory, in preparation to write a book about his time with the US 30th Infantry Division in Northwest and Central Europe. If anything, he is just ordinary, but he keeps me in stiches. You ought to hear his "British accent," learned while he was in England before Normandy. It contrasts so much with his Southern drawl. He does this not to make fun, as he has nothing but the utmost respect for the people in England and the rest of Great Britain.
     
  2. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    My dear Moderators

    I make no apology for trying to bring this thread on the US petition for Audie Murphy back from the ether as I feel that it is unfinished – but it appears to have been hacked about somewhat and so this will appear to be a new thread !

    My main reason is to have a section of one posting rectified – proven or dispensed with as it appears to me to be detrimental to my character – which I cannot allow to be left in people’s minds as being uncaring of other veterans !

    The offending paragraph in Slipdigits posting on the old thread # 44 is this –

    ””If you are happy trying to rub shi...crap on him, go ahead, please do so. You're only belittling yourself when you do so.”””

    My response -

    In no way did I denigrate –maligne – be offensive toward Mr Murphy or any other Veteran of any nation –I may have very grave reasons to question some - US Generals but never any other servicemen.

    This paragraph is very offensive to me as - 1) can he prove this charge in any of my postings to that thread and 2) I do not use such language which is equally offensive. Consequently having this remain on the thread stains my character, and trust that you agree !

    Now I would dearly love to either have him prove that scurrilous statement, if he can, and I shall sincerely and profoundly apologise – or if he is unable to do so then I would like this section to be removed and we can mentally shake hands and get on with our shortening lives.

    The other insulting people I shall leave to their own opinions as they are obviously in ignorance of the difference of Objective and Subjective Truth, whether it is boring, bloviating or not!


    Tom Canning
    Veteran of the British 8th Army.
     
  3. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    – but it appears to have been hacked about somewhat and so this will appear to be a new thread !



    Nope thread not hacked about at all, I've moved your new post to it.
     
  4. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Chaps,
    Time to take the ongoing feud to private messages I suspect?
    (Or is it time to run through how to operate the 'ignore' function of the forum that allows people to individually exclude certain other member's post from their view?)

    I'm sort of happy to remove a post or two if they're that upsetting, as I'm sure Jeff won't really mind, though it all reads like the usual banter to me, (particularly between you two! ). Binning posts by request isn't going to be a habit of mine though.

    By the by; 'Bloviating'.
    Top word, and an absolute new one on me.

    ~Adam
     
  5. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member

    I just came across this wonderful and refreshing thread. Thanks for the bump Mr. Canning! The petition is still open to anyone who feels so inclined to sign it. I did, and as mentioned before by others who felt as inclined as I did, the effort only took about 30 seconds or so. Quite painless it was actually. There was even a place to scratch off a note to El Presidente! I imagine I have an FBI file now since I asked if he could sign my Obama chia pet that I got for Christmas. Anyway, back to y'all!
     
  6. Lady Prime

    Lady Prime Discharged

    I just came across this wonderful and refreshing thread. Thanks for the bump Mr. Canning! The petition is still open to anyone who feels so inclined to sign it. I did, and as mentioned before by others who felt as inclined as I did, the effort only took about 30 seconds or so. Quite painless it was actually. There was even a place to scratch off a note to El Presidente! I imagine I have an FBI file now since I asked if he could sign my Obama chia pet that I got for Christmas. Anyway, back to y'all!


    I am going to sign the petition as well. I loved "To Hell and Back" and I personally think his family should receive the medal...along with the other Medal of Honor winners from the various world conflicts that fight in the name of freedom..
     
  7. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    Chaps,
    Time to take the ongoing feud to private messages I suspect?
    (Or is it time to run through how to operate the 'ignore' function of the forum that allows people to individually exclude certain other member's post from their view?)

    I'm sort of happy to remove a post or two if they're that upsetting, as I'm sure Jeff won't really mind, though it all reads like the usual banter to me, (particularly between you two! ). Binning posts by request isn't going to be a habit of mine though.

    By the by; 'Bloviating'.
    Top word, and an absolute new one on me.

    ~Adam

    Do what you need to do, Adam. :)

    I stand by my statement. Read the highlighted supporting inclusion in my post (44) derived from Tom's comments in post 33.

    Bloviate/bloviating is a great word that has a lot of relevance in a forum.:rolleyes:

    I'm done here.o_O
     
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  8. Formerjughead

    Formerjughead Senior Member

    Good Grief nothing is simple over here, no wonder the Pilgrims left.
     
  9. BFBSM

    BFBSM Very Senior Member

    Yeah, but they got lost!!!!!!!!
     
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  10. Formerjughead

    Formerjughead Senior Member

    Yeah, but they got lost!!!!!!!!

    At least they didn't get eaten by the Indians....


    (my sincerest apologies to the colonists of Roanoke as it is still 'too soon')
     
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  11. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Good Grief nothing is simple over here, no wonder the Pilgrims left.

    :lol:


    At least its not a 'What If' :p
     
  12. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member

    :lol:


    At least its not a 'What If' :p
    That's why we know this is a British/Commomwealth forum.
     
  13. WW II Son

    WW II Son New Member

    Mr. Phillips ,
    I was unaware this was a Commonwealth website until I saw this post. I admired Audie Murphy growing up, as my Father had served in WW II in the South Pacific. I had the honor of accidently passing through his hometown of Celeste , Texas, about 4-5 years ago, and , spotting a small monument and historical markers along side the highway, I stopped and paid homage to my boyhood hero. Had the English, Germans or any other Nationality sponsored a petition for this man, I would have signed it just like I will sign yours. Should the Commonwealth sponsor a petition to award one of the UK's highest honors, and knowing the history of the individual as well as I know Audie Murphy's history , I would gladly sign theirs too, if invited to do so. All Allied WW II soldiers deserve out utmost thanks and gratitude for the jobs they did, and the sacrifices they made. Thanks for your efforts.
     
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  14. audiesdad

    audiesdad Junior Member

    WWII Son:

    Thanks for your comment about Mr. Murphy and the petition to honor him. If you haven't taken the opportunity to sign it, please do so soon, as it will be ending in the next couple of weeks or so, then bundled and sent on to the President.
    I am attaching a link to a video announcing in a photo montage all of the distinguished signers of the petition, to include members of the U.S. Congress, moonwalkers, more than 100 general officers representing every branch of the U.S. military and every level of command, 50 of the 78 living medal of honor recipients, as well as other distinguished vets with unique claims to fame and other cinema celebrities etc. Enjoy the musical compositions as well!
    Thanks for the service of your father during WWII as well. It took everyone to get the job done!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v466VgpzA2I


    Thanks,

    Dave
     

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