Arthur Leonard Folks 5104485 8th Bn. Royal Warwickshire Regiment

Discussion in 'Searching for Someone & Military Genealogy' started by Phil B, Nov 21, 2021.

  1. Phil B

    Phil B Junior Member

    Can anyone help please with the details of my Great Uncle Arthur Leonard Folks. He was born 8th Oct 1909 in Birmingham. I've looked for any record but found nought. not even his medal index card. see the 1939 register attached, living at 161 James Turner Street, Winson Green, Birmingham,
    Phil 1939-register.jpg
     
  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    You need to obtain his service records which are only available from the MOD, the forms etc are in this link - Get a copy of military service records

    You will need a copy death certificate
    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Arthur Leonard Folks
    Death Age: 74
    Birth Date: 8 Oct 1909
    Registration Date: Jun 1984
    Registration District: Birmingham
    Inferred County: Warwickshire
    Volume: 32
    Page: 1504
    Obtainable from Order a birth, death, marriage or civil partnership certificate

    Possible the medal index cards you mention are the WW1 rolls - dont recall there being a WW2 version

    Do not use any pay sites as they do not hold WW2 soldiers records (whatever the enticing title of the site says)
     
    timuk and 4jonboy like this.
  3. Phil B

    Phil B Junior Member

    Thanks Tricky Dicky, my mistake, I've been on the "great war forum" the last few days searching for other relatives and forgot there is very little available when switching to WW2.
    Phil
     
  4. Uncle Target

    Uncle Target Mist over Dartmoor

    So he is shown in the 1939 census as a Private 5104485 in the 8th Battalion Royal Warwickshire Regiment
    married, aged 30 (not a young man in infantry terms).
    I mention his age as many TA Regiments were over strength in 1939 so kept the older men for either Administration or Instructors, staying back in Home HQ rather than going to France. The more experienced men were also selected to go home from Dunkirk first, to be available to organise and train those who eventually got back.

    You might find out more as to what they did but not necessarily where your Gt Uncle went, so his Service Record is paramount.
    Unless of course you have letters or stories in the family.

    BBC - WW2 People's War - Dunkirk: A Unique Story of the Evacuation - Royal Warwickshire Regiment
    BBC - WW2 People's War - Brief account of the Royal Warwickshire Regiment in WW2
    Royal Warwickshire Regiment - Wikipedia

    The Army Number comes up as Foulkes Arthur Leonard 5104485 in the Royal Warwickshire Regiment According to CWGC but no record of death.
    Not seen that before.
    Does your thread title have a typing error.
     
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2021
  5. Phil B

    Phil B Junior Member

    Thanks Uncle Target, all suggestions are welcome. I already have some war diaries of the 8th R.W.R because I have another Uncle who was killed in action with his brother-in-law on the 21st May 1940, they were both killed trying to hold the enemy on the line of the Scheldt at Calonne. They were Harold Leslie Webb and Frank Tranter of D company. R.I.P.
    I was wondering if Arthur Folks might have been in the same engagement.
    Phil
     
  6. Uncle Target

    Uncle Target Mist over Dartmoor

    I'm afraid that I have very limited resources in general but have access to a terrific amount of knowledge and information from others related to the 67th Field Regt RA (TA).
    Being from Worcestershire, they were part of the 48th Infantry Division until they got to France with the BEF then transferred to the 1st Infantry Division.
    They were tasked with getting back to Dunkirk, which they did in a fighting withdrawal to defend the beaches while everyone that could got out.
    I have read a bit about the 48th Divisions activities in the BEF and spoken to several veterans of the Warwick's over the years as I live in Tamworth Staffs.
    The 48th Infantry Division trained in Wiltshire prior to going to France with the BEF. The same villages were later used by the American 506 Parachute Infantry Regiment part of which was Easy Company "Band of Brothers".
    They are just beginning to research the British Forces who also trained there.

    Overpaid, oversexed, and under Aldbourne? Digging D-Day’s ‘Band of Brothers’ - Current Archaeology

    Ramsbury at War
     
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2021
  7. Phil B

    Phil B Junior Member

    Hello Uncle Target, I'm puzzled by this, there's no typing error but I have seen other spellings of this surname, What's more puzzling is why would he appear on CWGC website when he wasn't killed, he died in 1984 aged 74. Could you send me a link to where you found this please?
    Phil

    You might be interested in this thread, I think it was my first on this site..

    8th Bn, Royal Warwickshire Regiment - Dunkirk veteran's lost grave.
     
  8. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    4jonboy and Tony56 like this.
  9. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    there is a confusion in a post he is not on CWGC
    his army number is Royal Warwicks

    you said his name is Folks not Foulkes and died in 1984 this is him
    FOLKS ARTHUR LEONARD 8OC1909 BIRMINGHAM 32 1504

    apply for his service records as suggested by TD
    you will get false trails if you dont

    regards
    Clive
     
  10. Uncle Target

    Uncle Target Mist over Dartmoor

    I was visiting the CWGC site and out of curiosity keyed in his name and army number when to my surprise the name Foulks A L cropped up. No records of death, burial or anything. It said quite clearly No Records
    I assumed it was a new feature and a possible way of finding names against numbers so mentioned it to you guys as I wasn't sure. Perhaps it was a trick of the internet but agree that it was extremely odd.
    A it worrying maybe.
    Perhaps you would like to have a go CWGC Find War Dead.
     
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2021
  11. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    op is looking for is Folkswho died in 1984 not Foulkes

    only one on CWGC is WW1 casualty
     
  12. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Phil just to recap

    Apply for his service records link provided by TD but here again Get a copy of military service records
    A fourm member on this site offers copy service for war diaries at Kew for a reasonable fee
    PsyWar.Org

    regards
    Clive
     
  13. Uncle Target

    Uncle Target Mist over Dartmoor

    Apologies gentlemen Pilot Error it comes up with highlighted alternative spellings. Cant remember that happening before some sort of improvement I guess.
    Or old age at turbo speed.
     
  14. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    no apology required mate we all make a few me more than most
     
  15. Phil B

    Phil B Junior Member

    No one makes more mistakes than me, "measure it twice cut once".

    Looks like the only way forward is to apply for his service record, thanks to all.
    Phil
     
  16. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    All I can add is he enlisted pre-Feb 1938 and I'd say a fair bit before (5,110,225 enlisted 8/2/38 so he was 5,740 recruits earlier in the Warwick's)
     
  17. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Phil please keep us updated on your search

    regards
    Clive
     

Share This Page