Army Number Block Allocations

Discussion in 'Service Records' started by Geoff Reeves, Jan 12, 2006.

  1. Hi
    Gnr Ivor Bevan, enlisted at Kinmel Park and joined the Royal Artillery with the service number of 1492601. His attestation papers show he enrolled on the 17 Jul 1939 for the Militia. Going through training at the same time was Gnr Trevor Butts, 1492701.

    I wonder if someone can explain why the Reg Army and Terr Army was crossed out and why it stated joining for the.............. Militia?

    Can I asssume that with their service numbers being 1492601 and 1492701 that this meant there were 100 men enlisted between them.

    With enlistment dated prior to conscription, would they been classed as volunteers?

    Regards, Roy

    Roy, I'm surprised that no one dealt with your query and wonder if you're still puzzled. If you are, here's my take.

    Conscription did start pre-war - the Military Training Act 1939 became law in April and the first batch of 200,000 20 & 21 year-olds were registered on Sat 3 June. Medical examinations were carried out a week later and the first call up notices sent later in the month with them reporting from 1 July. There was a huge reluctance to use the term conscript, so they were known as militia-men. The obligation was to train for 6 months and then become a trained reservist. Of course the war intervened.

    Hope this clears the matter up.

    Charles Vernon
     
  2. cmp

    cmp Member

    @CROONAERT, Thanks for the RASC tip (sloppy cut and paste on my part meant they were missed as they are first on the list). The numbers in the range: 10660001 - 11000000 should now return RASC.

    Note also that at the moment these two don't work either:

    Auxiliary Territorial Service W/1 - W/500,000
    Voluntary Aid Detachments W/500001 - W/1000000

    As they begin with a letter. I need to make a little tweak to make it work with these number types.

    @VON POOP Go ahead and link away if you want to.
     
  3. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Hi CMP

    A very neat little program and sensibly picked up by Adam.

    By now, I think everyone on this forum must know about and, if they are sensible, must have used, Geoff's super CWGC search engine. Geoff's 1939-47 Search Engine

    When this program was first was mentioned and we started testing it out I wrote the following piece that newcomers might now find of interest:

    Geoff

    I feel must tell you and others, of my experience this morning on testing out your admirable CWGC Search Engine.

    My Army number was 14300260.

    I decided to enter only the first six digits, i.e. 143002 in the "number" field and see if any one who joined the Army near my time had been killed in WW2.

    The search produced, amongst others a Trooper Fletcher, Reginald Water who died on the 12th of March 1945, is buried in The Reichswald Forest Cemetery and who's Army Number was 14300257.

    Trooper Fletcher's number is just 3 digits lower than mine and he must have joined on the same day, 1st October 1942.

    Truly a case of "There but for the Grace of G-d go I"




    Ron
     
  4. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    interesting just taken Rons thoughts and
    1653265 this chap is RAF in amongst Royal Artillery
     
  5. cmp

    cmp Member

    I noticed a few people had put in post war army numbers in the search. I've added those blocks in and it will now return the approximate date joined for an army number:

    http://www.corpsofmilitarypolice.org/tools/armynumber

    So now you get:

    The army number: 24969234 indicates that the soldier's original unit or date joined was:
    "Until January 1992".
     
  6. cmp

    cmp Member

    I saw "Croonaert's" list of RAF numbers and will try and make a checker for that in the coming weeks. Does a similar range exist for the senior service? If anyone has it to send then I might as well do all three.
     
  7. Algee

    Algee Very Insignificant Member

    I know a fair bit about enlisted men's number thanks to this thread but what about officer block allocations? were there number blocks for different types of commission, regular, emergency, wartime etc?


    Thanks
    Al
     
  8. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    I saw "Croonaert's" list of RAF numbers and will try and make a checker for that in the coming weeks. Does a similar range exist for the senior service? If anyone has it to send then I might as well do all three.

    Not in the same format, but this is all I have on RN numbers between 1894 and 1959 (its handy, but you might find it slightly less useful)...
     

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  9. Pte Tetley

    Pte Tetley Junior Member

    hey guys do any of you now the service numbers of 2 PARA durring ww2 and post war?
     
  10. Ursula

    Ursula Junior Member

    Inspired by Geoff Reeves list posted at the beginning of this thread I've bashed together handy little web utility you can use to check the army numbers listed there:

    http://www.corpsofmilitarypolice.org/tools/armynumber

    To use it, enter an army number in the search box and click the button. It should return to you something like:

    The army number: 6076192 indicates that the soldier's original unit was: "The Queen's Royal Regiment"


    I've checked it out with a few of the numbers from my site and they seem to tally up. But let me know if there is anything amiss.

    I hope this is helpful in some small way to some of the researchers here.

    Been reading through this thread and it's great. I tried the search tool but it came up with an error for me.
     
  11. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Been reading through this thread and it's great. I tried the search tool but it came up with an error for me.

    Same here...
     
  12. The odd bod

    The odd bod Junior Member

  13. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Odd bod - as stated on another thread - possibly the number 7 is missing from the beginning of the number making it another Tank Regimental number - 798****
    Cheers
     
  14. jainso31

    jainso31 jainso31

    The 14 million series of numbers was for conscripts into The General Service Corps,which was a large Holding Unit introduced in 1942 via Atmy order No.19 of 1942.The numbering ranged from 14200001 to 15000000.
    These numbers were retained-I had an uncle with one of these "Bolo" numbers, who served in 7th batt.The Black Watch in Italy and France/Germany during WW2.He became a Regular soldier after the war and still in the BW, which fought in Korea-his Korean War Medal still had his GSC number.

    jainso31:)
     
  15. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    jainso31

    Excuse my ignorance, but what is a "Bolo" number ?

    Thanks

    Ron
     
  16. jainso31

    jainso31 jainso31

    Army slang for "odd" as opposed to a REGIMENTAL number. An old WW2 Coldstream Guardman gave me that one-just old soldiers slang.

    jainso31
     
  17. Tabby

    Tabby Junior Member

    I have found my father's number (Jack Taberner) on the side of the Normandy Campaign Medal (my sister was given this by my mother when dad died), which she didn't know anything about. However I did. My father's number is 17970. I have checked the service number website and it comes up with Royal Army Service Corps Block 1, what is Block 1?
    Plus the medals he has are 1939-45 star, Africa, Italy, France & Germany Star, Defence Medal, 1939-1945 medal, National Service Medal 1939-1960 and Normandy Campaign Medal. Can you assist me in finding out what his part in the Royal Artillery was please. Many Thanks. Tabby
     
  18. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I have found my father's number (Jack Taberner) on the side of the Normandy Campaign Medal (my sister was given this by my mother when dad died), which she didn't know anything about. However I did. My father's number is 17970. I have checked the service number website and it comes up with Royal Army Service Corps Block 1, what is Block 1?
    Plus the medals he has are 1939-45 star, Africa, Italy, France & Germany Star, Defence Medal, 1939-1945 medal, National Service Medal 1939-1960 and Normandy Campaign Medal. Can you assist me in finding out what his part in the Royal Artillery was please. Many Thanks. Tabby

    Hi,

    Apply for his service records, they will answer virtually all of your Q's.
    Army Personnel Centre - British Army Website
     
  19. Verrieres

    Verrieres no longer a member

    I have found my father's number (Jack Taberner) on the side of the Normandy Campaign Medal (my sister was given this by my mother when dad died), which she didn't know anything about. However I did. My father's number is 17970. I have checked the service number website and it comes up with Royal Army Service Corps Block 1, what is Block 1?
    Plus the medals he has are 1939-45 star, Africa, Italy, France & Germany Star, Defence Medal, 1939-1945 medal, National Service Medal 1939-1960 and Normandy Campaign Medal. Can you assist me in finding out what his part in the Royal Artillery was please. Many Thanks. Tabby

    Is this your fathers number or was it a issue number which was stamped to each medal? The Normandy Campaign Medal is not an official medal being Commissioned by the Normandy Veterans Association .Not 100% sure but I believe they do have numbers stamped/impressed on the edge to show the issue number of the medal rather than the recipients Regimental number.
     
  20. Tabby

    Tabby Junior Member

    Ah maybe it is the issue number then.....sorry not well up on the subject. All I have are his medals, and pictures of him in Brussels, also a picture of him in his uniform which is Royal Artillery.
     

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