Army Number Block Allocations

Discussion in 'Service Records' started by Geoff Reeves, Jan 12, 2006.

  1. adam1981

    adam1981 Member

    Hello
    With regards to service numbers. If someone transferred from a line regiment to the RASC, would/could they keep the service number and a prefix be added?
    ie Beds and Herts numbered 1234567
    RASC numbered T/1234567

    the move possibly being post WW2 if that makes a difference.

    Thanks
    Adam
     
  2. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    I've not seen a prefix added to an army service number issued 1920/1942 or the general service corps numbering sequence 1942/49? when a man transferred.

    I stand to be corrected!

    Steve
     
  3. 2 Black Bands

    2 Black Bands Active Member

    'trying to find where 24546585 "worked".......I've got Pre-80 (thank you)....but would love to know if it was Catering or SAS...or perhaps both!

    'any clues please?
     
  4. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    I’m not aware of any Regimental block allocation of the eight digit numbering sequence that was adopted for use by all 3 services in the late 1940’s.

    Steve
     
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  5. 2 Black Bands

    2 Black Bands Active Member

    sorry...it won't be WW2...I guess I hadn't taken the Forum literally...my mistake.
     
  6. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    The third system of numbering introduced in WW2 numbered conscripts who were sent to a central depot where they had their medicals and were allocated a number BEFORE being posted to a regiment as opposed to joining the Regimental Depots like the old 1920 numbering system. These were known as GSC numbers this was carried forward to the next (1950-2007) numbering system. Your number falls between 24520161 (March 1979) and 24579860 August 1980.

    As no one joined The SAS direct you are looking for something which doesn`t exist anyway .There`s no `Regimental` ties with post 1950`s numbering . Sorry . Check your number in the London Gazette he may be listed for a MiD or other honour?

    Good luck

    Kyle
     
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  7. 2 Black Bands

    2 Black Bands Active Member

    Many thanks indeed.....I was being a tad light hearted re reference to SAS...although, that said, the number appears in a non-standard Brit-used Helmet. I’m better off re info...and I’m grateful.
     
  8. pierce09

    pierce09 Member

    With the third numbering system introduced in the war of assigning a service number at depot then sending out soldiers to units ad hoc, would anyone know an approximate date of enlistment for the service number block 1457199* please?

    I have searched CWGC entries for casualties with numbers in the block and found 14571999 Pte George Whife KIA 21 June 1944 with the 5th Buffs and 14571979 Pte John Stoner KIA 25 Jan 1945 with the 4th Dorsets. both aged 20. I have a relative who i believe was a POW with the E Lancs Regt 14571993 Pte Thomas H Viner but I'm trying to confirm this is the same man as my relative. DOB has him born 1925 so would put him at 18 in 1943. If the enlistment date is prior to that, I think it would be unlikely to be my relative.

    I understand the 14000000 block gives the General Service Corps enlistment cap badge but i was wondering if the breakdown of the army number can give a rough enlistment date?
     
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  9. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    I'd say second half of March 1943, basing this on a number of paybooks I have around that number.

    Alistair
     
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  10. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    What does the 'H' stand for - and do you have his parents names? - he was born where??

    TD
     
  11. ww2 mike

    ww2 mike Junior Member

    any ideas with this i have a shaving brush broad arrow 1941 in ink on the top is number 1510755 anything please
     
  12. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Royal Artillery (Field, Coastal & Anti-Aircraft) as per post no 1. From RA attestations Gnr Frank Bell enlisted 1938.(findmypast)

    Kyle
     
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  13. ww2 mike

    ww2 mike Junior Member

    thank you Mr jinks ! i wonder how we came with it !
     
  14. pierce09

    pierce09 Member

    Thank you. If this is my man, it would fit perfectly as he would have been 18 at this point. I'm trying to ascertain when he was captured and what Battalion he served with.

    I believe he is Thomas Herbert Viner, born 7 March 1925 In Salford, Manchester. At least that's what my early research says. His father was Herbert Viner (b. 1897) and served with RE light railways around the Middle East in WW1. His mother was Sarah Ann Viner (nee Martin b. 1897).
     
  15. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Thomas Herbert Viner
    1925–2002
    BIRTH 7 MAR 1925 • SALFORD , Greater Manchester,Lancashire England
    DEATH FEB 2002 • Havering, Essex, England

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Thomas Herbert Viner
    Death Age: 76
    Birth Date: 7 Mar 1925
    Registration Date: Feb 2002
    Registration district: Havering
    Inferred County: Essex
    Register Number: HB98
    District and Subdistrict: 2341B

    Get a copy of his death cert and send off for his service records
    TD

    2 family trees on Ancestry
    Thomas Herbert Viner
    Birth: 7 Mar 1925 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
    Death: Feb 2002 - Essex, England
    Marriage: Dec 1945 - West Ham, Essex, England
    Spouse: Doris E M Palmer
    F: Herbert Viner
    M: Sarah Ann Martin

    1939 England and Wales Register
    Name: Thomas H Viner
    Gender: Male
    Marital Status: Single
    Birth Date: 7 Mar 1925
    Residence Year: 1939
    Address: 176
    Residence Place: Bromley, Kent, England
    Occupation: Van Boy, Cook Bakery
    Schedule Number: 50
    Sub Schedule Number: 2
    Enumeration District: CJLQ
    Registration district: 42.1
    Household Members:
    Name
    Sarah A Viner
    Thomas H Viner


    Name: Sarah A Viner
    Gender: Female
    Marital Status: Married
    Birth Date: 8 Jun 1898
    Residence Year: 1939
    Address: 176
    Residence Place: Bromley, Kent, England
    Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
     
  16. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Possible -

    UK, British Prisoners of War, 1939-1945
    Name: T H Viner
    Rank: Private
    Army Number: 14571993
    Regiment: East Lancashire Regiment
    POW Number: 70691
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: XII-D
    Camp Location: Waldbreitbach, Rhineland-Palatinate
    Record Office: Infantry Record Office, The Public Hall, Lune Street, Preston, Lancashire
    Record Office Number: 18

    TD
     

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