Archer / Comet v Tiger I - must-see video!

Discussion in 'Weapons, Technology & Equipment' started by mollusc, Sep 25, 2008.

  1. mollusc

    mollusc Member

    Saw this on YouTube - bloody great vid, it's all here; 17pdr firing APCBC and APDS at a Tiger I, besa mg giving it a 20 second burst, the lot!

    YouTube - Tiger â…X:Test & Investigation

    :)

    Interesting to see the frontal penetrations on the Tiger are APDS, you'll see the diameter of the penetrator is 35mm approx. On the side, the hull penetration must be APCBC (ie 76.2mm), whereas the turret impacts...well they look odd. The lower of the turret impacts looks like it could be an APDS (the central hole is small), but where the SABOT hadn't separated from the penetrator - hence causing the much shallower but full calibre indentation. Does anyone know, was the SABOT pot or petal for the 17pdr?

    Not sure what the upper turret impact was, APCBC or a failed APDS.

    But look at how that side plate broke off!!!


    Fixed link - Think this is the right one, ~A
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKYx1fFhbL0&noredirect=1
     
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  2. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Great stuff.
    What a pleasing way to spend an afternoon on the ranges, and that plate appears to have just snapped off clean & complete, to the extent it almost looks like an intentional 'cutaway' for training afterwards.

    Reminds me of that Russian 'testing' on Tiger b:
    THE RUSSIAN BATTLEFIELD - Was the Tiger really "King?"
     
  3. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Two super links. Thanks to both for sharing.

    I just would not want to be inside any tank with AT rounds being fired!
    All Tank crews deserve deep admiration.

    Tom
     
  4. mollusc

    mollusc Member

    Great stuff.
    What a pleasing way to spend an afternoon on the ranges, and that plate appears to have just snapped off clean & complete, to the extent it almost looks like an intentional 'cutaway' for training afterwards.

    Reminds me of that Russian 'testing' on Tiger b:
    THE RUSSIAN BATTLEFIELD - Was the Tiger really "King?"

    Ah, the good old battlefield/ru link!!!
    Good photos of what 500 shells can do to a heavily armoured tank, but you have to ignore the text that goes with it, I think it's meaningless. Pictures of an IS2 after 500 hits please?
    (How about an IS2 after 1 hit?)
     

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  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Fair comment on the 'shelled to buggery' front mate, but they're still splendid pictures.
    I do think there's some validity to the mechanical/automotive complaints though, the soviets were never that impressed on that front with any of the biggies they acquired, and the shattering of the Armour is compared to better quality on earlier types. Not uncommon to see those big cracks & failures across the weld seams even on vehicles that haven't had quite such a hammering.
    (I've got an incredibly dull article somewhere on how hard their Nickel welding techniques make things for the restoration boys, will see if I can find it, but they were clearly having material related difficulties in that technologically advanced area too.)

    That Archer/Tiger video gets one wondering what else was filmed and is out there somewhere. I'm trying to decide whether it's at Chertsey or some other proving ground, or out in the continent somewhere. can't make out any markings on the Tiger but the Archer's number is T123576 - maybe a slim chance that Bod or Rich can glean something on that from their books of magic numbers ;).
    Edit: screwed up there, that number's on the Valentine blatting away with it's MG. The only marking I can make out on the Archer is something(-on?)-sur-mer on the back.
     
  6. mollusc

    mollusc Member

    It's filmed at Haustenbeck in Germany, apparently. Don't know where, but probably in the South of Germany looking at the buildings.
    Look at this one it's at the same place.
    YouTube - Tiger â…¡Porsche Type at Haustenbeck in the Senne


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsN6rY506jc
     
  7. Seroster

    Seroster Canadian researcher Patron

    I know I'm following up on an old thread, but I still find the footage interesting - a Valentine next to the E-100 hull!

    If you google Haustenbeck it's in the north, actually, about 2/3 of the way from Cologne to Hanover. Personally I'd find it interesting to know which AT Regiment was involved - I will check the war diaries I have for 1945 to see if anything is mentioned at the beginning of July '45.

    edit: I was also wondering if anyone knows the actual origin of the video. I assume it's not Pathe' :)
     
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  8. m kenny

    m kenny Senior Member

    Pathe did not film it. During the war they were given copies of film shot by the Combat Cameramen. They now call it their own and charge and arm and a leg for copies. Which, considering the IWM charge an arm and 2 legs for the same footage but not as clear, is a bargain!
    Incidentally Pathe/AP now have the only existing copies of Canadian Raw footage. The Canadians could. if they wanted, re-assemble a good chunk of their missing Archive.
     
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  9. Sheldrake

    Sheldrake Gunner Tours

    I think that you are referring to Hastenbeck which is a village outside Hameln (and the site of a 1757 battlefield to which a youthful Sheldrake led battlefield studies.

    If you google "Haustenbeck senne," the map is of the middle of Sennelager ranges next to the Haustenbach stream. Haustenbeck is probably a range name. Sennelager was a Panzer barracks. Its a likely place to blast old German tank hulks.
     
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  10. Seroster

    Seroster Canadian researcher Patron

    No, I'm not... that seems a kind of ungenerous assumption :(

    Haustenbeck (which, I agree, appears to be the name of a range)
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    Hastenbeck
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