Anyone got an Ancestry.co.uk account?

If anyone has an Ancestry account could they do a few searches for me. I'm having problems tracking down the families of the other crew members on my Uncle's plane.

Graham Lakeman's parents were Sidney H and Florence Lakeman from Plymouth, but no response yet to the pieces I've put in the local Plymouth papers. I've found mentions of a Sydney H Lakeman on a ship that sank in WW1 and he was from Devon I think.

Norman Joseph Naylor's parents were Joseph Claude and May, but no details fo where they came from

Ronald Geoffery has no next of kin listed at all and no details of where he came from.

I would really appreciate someone looking these up please.

Do you think I would be able to get these details from their service records despite no being the next of kin?

Thanks

 

Nicola, I will see what I can find out, but these traces are not straight forward. Can you post the CWGC details for the casualties?

P

 

Everything from the CWGC I've posted above Phil. Thanks very much.

 

CWGC Entry
Name: LAKEMAN, GRAHAM
Initials: G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 57 Sqdn.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 08/04/1942
Service No: 1307040
Additional information: Son of Sidney H. and Florence Lakeman, of Plymouth.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 87.
Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL

Birth Record based upon CWGC Age at death
Name: Graham Lakeman
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hawkes
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1920
Registration district: Plymouth
Registration county: Devon/Cornwall/Seilly

Would appear to have been an only child although Lakeman appears to be a popular name in the Plymouth Area.

Name: Sidney H Lakeman
Spouse Florence Hawkes
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1916
Registration district: Plymouth
Registration county (inferred): Devon

Sidney Harry Lakeman appears in a large number of family Trees, one of which is owned by a Sarah Lakeman. I have sent her a message although her profile says that she has not logged in in over 6 months, so watch this space.

 

CWGC Entry
Name: NAYLOR, NORMAN JOSEPH
Initials: N J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 57 Sqdn.
Age: 23
Date of Death: 08/04/1942
Service No: 916232
Additional information: Son of Joseph Claude and May Naylor.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 90.
Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL

No birth record for a Norman J or Norman Joseph Naylor that links to age at death. Cant see any strong records for a Joseph Claude Naylor either. Bit more time will be required in this casualty.

A Total Blank on this casualty I am afraid, no records strong enough to trace.

 

CWGC Entry
Name: RICHARDS, RONALD GEOFFREY
Initials: R G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 57 Sqdn.
Date of Death: 08/04/1942
Service No: 1113440
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 92.
Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL

Going to be very difficult without an age to trace anything for this casualty

Having listed the Birth Records for Ronald Richards between 1903 and 1923, and then compared them against the death records, there are 4 for which I cant match, and therefore are possabilities. The main reason why next of Kin was omitted was that families either did not reply to the letters received, or had moved from the address that was help by the relevant Service.

I am not sure how much information the CWGC will give out due to Data Protection, but may be worth a phone call to them to see what Address or at least area they have for the Two casualties, as this will help narrow down any search.

Name: Ronald G Richards
Mothers Maiden Name (Williams)
Birth: Oct Nov Dec 1916 - St Austell, Devon/Cornwall/Seilly. Dorset/Somerset

Name: Ronald G Richards
Mothers maiden Name (Clarke)
Birth: Jan Feb Mar 1922 - Pembroke, Wales

Name: Ronald G Richards
Mothers Maiden Name (Bishop)
Birth: Jan Feb Mar 1922 - W Ham, Essex, Suffolk

Name: Ronald G Richards
Mothers Maiden Name (Richards)
Birth: Dec 1915 - Salisbury (1895 Onw), Wiltshire

 

Can we have a quick recap of what we know about this crew? Any nick-names, time when joined 57, possible training courses, that might give clues as to where they came from?
There is a Ronald G Richards born 2nd Quarter 1917 in Pontypridd and a marriage to Muriel L Mitchell 1st Qtr 1938, also in Pontypridd... marrying at 21, possible child(ren) then joining RAF, may put him in contention?
So, do we have any other personal info that might help?

 

My uncle James Linehan was called Jim/Jimmy. he joined 57 on 6/11/41. I believe P/O Noel Morse joined just before that as he had 18 ops.

Noel Percy Morse Aged 27 or 28 (different sources have the age different), from Sydney, Australia - have now traced his family! Hurrah!!

George Hillary Vogan 23 or 24 Canterbury NZ
Graham Lakeman 22 Plymouth UK
Norman Joseph Naylor 23
Ronald Jeffrey Richards

This is all the info I have

 

Sorry, I've got this as well:

N2404577 Sgt Vogan (Observer), 916232 Sgt Naylor N.J. (1st W/T), 1113440 Sgt Richards R.G. (A.G.) posted to 57 Squadron from 11 O.T.U. w.e.f. 6/11/41

 

I have phoned RAF Cranwell and left a message asking whether I can get the records

 

Can we have a quick recap of what we know about this crew? Any nick-names, time when joined 57, possible training courses, that might give clues as to where they came from?
There is a Ronald G Richards born 2nd Quarter 1917 in Pontypridd and a marriage to Muriel L Mitchell 1st Qtr 1938, also in Pontypridd... marrying at 21, possible child(ren) then joining RAF, may put him in contention?
So, do we have any other personal info that might help?

Kevin, I ruled this guy out on the basis of the following death record

Name: Ronald Richards
Birth: 11 Jul 1917
Death: Apr 1989 - Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Wales

 

Thanks for all your help Phil and Kevin. At least it gives me something to go on.

 

Hello all, with regards to Sgt Naylor N.J. Like englandphil, i too can't get a trace of him on Ancestry. Could it be that Naylor was not his birth name?. Something very similar happened in one of my researches. Just a thought perhaps.

Your's Oldloyal

 

Thanks for the input Oldloyal. That's something that hadn't occurred to me. Any ideas how I might check that?

 

Hi Nicola,
sorry, there's no easy answer. We know our man was KIA 1942, 23 y.o. OK, work back for a marriage from 1919,or slightly forward, no Joseph Claude Naylor appears in our time slot, plenty of Joseph's though It's a case of cross checking to find a bride named Amy, up to press no luck. What we need is the maiden name of Norman's mother, the rest is easy. Onward's and hopefully upwards,just keep trying.


Your's etc, oldloyal.

 

I received a phone from Adrian Lambert at RAF Cranwell. I have to pay each time I access a person's account, even though they are crew mates of my uncle.

I think I will start with RG Richards as there is absolutely nothing about him on CWGC. At least that way it will give me something to work on.

 

Lakeman senior was Sidney Harry and his father was a carpenter, so not the Sidney H who I found in a google search who died on a ship in WW!.

BTW I am waiting for both NJ Naylor and RG Richards' service records to come from RAF Cranwell so hopefully will have something more then.

BTW I have some info re Naylor & Lakeman and have posted it on the main thread about JE Linehan

 

Nicola,

I have just checked the 1901 Census documents for Sidney Lakeman, and got the following two records:


View attachment 1901Census-2083-2086_0028 Transcript.docx



View attachment 1901Census-5327-5329_0404 Transcript.docx

Mark

 

Fantastic Mark thanks, Looks like the first one is Sidney Harry & the second one is Sidney Herbert

 

Hi Nicola,
sorry, there's no easy answer. We know our man was KIA 1942, 23 y.o. OK, work back for a marriage from 1919,or slightly forward, no Joseph Claude Naylor appears in our time slot, plenty of Joseph's though It's a case of cross checking to find a bride named Amy, up to press no luck. What we need is the maiden name of Norman's mother, the rest is easy. Onward's and hopefully upwards,just keep trying.


Your's etc, oldloyal.

Nicola,

I have just conducted a search on FindMyPast, which allows in the Marriage search one to enter details in any combination of partners, and one does not need maiden names to check. I found only one marriage for a Joseph Naylor, and that was a Joseph Henry. And the spouse was Helen.

I also tried British marriages overseas, is it possible infact that they were migrants??

Mark