Anybody know what ordnance this is?

Discussion in 'Weapons, Technology & Equipment' started by alanatabz, Feb 14, 2019.

  1. alanatabz

    alanatabz Well-Known Member

  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    I would imagine small anti tank/personnel mine
     
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  3. alanatabz

    alanatabz Well-Known Member

    Not sure its a landmine, not aware of anything this shape etc.
     
  4. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Article states Allied bombs and German mines



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  5. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

  6. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Not sure that Teller mines would find their way to the UK, but Britain also produces Anti Tank mines similar to the Teller.
    Perhaps they were part of the UK coastal defences.
    Regards
    Tom
     
  7. alanatabz

    alanatabz Well-Known Member

    I can't find any records of what British mines were similar to this. If it's German, no idea how it got there (I know munitions were dumped off of Aberdeen) but still doesn;t explain how if it is german it got here.

    The article and photo are unrelated, the image is photostock and unrelated to the Windfarm finds.
     
  8. alanatabz

    alanatabz Well-Known Member

    PS the picture in the article is from photostock, nothing to do with windfarm muntions the article writes about
     
  9. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    How would we know that it was a stock photo?
    You asked what it could be and got answers.
    Give them a call then to ask what it was save us wasting our crystal ball magic
     
  10. alanatabz

    alanatabz Well-Known Member

    I asked Energyvoice (the website) for more details on what the object was. They didn't know and the editor said it used the image from the Royal Navy on an unexploded bomb.

    Forgetting the article, I wanted to know what the object was in the photo as I do not recognise it.
     
  11. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    It just looks like a mine with the detonator assembly missing but what type we are not sure
     
  12. Uncle Target

    Uncle Target Mist over Dartmoor

    The Teller mine was so named due to its shape looking like a dinner plate. There are many photos of them on line sometimes in heaps having been disarmed by RE's. They all seem to have a carrying handle. Photos taken in Florence 1944 show them with augmenting charges which look a bit like an ammo box. They seemed to like placing them near gate posts presumably to only trigger when wide vehicles like a tank went through. The Teller Mine is primarily an anti tank mine it required a 200lb or 91kg load to trigger it. An empty Jeep weighs 1,113 kg The Germans had a habit of placing a “nest” of mines either two or three Teller Mines or one mine with accompanying explosives. They added a strengthening torsion bar on the actuator cut part way through to prevent a light vehicle setting it off. A single mine would blow off a tanks tracks and injure the driver but the tank was then effectively a static pill box. A nest would frequently blow a Sherman Tank over killing or injuring the crew and blocking the road. After several light vehicles passing over it the torsion bar could shear.
    I am partly convinced that this is what killed the men in the 67th Field Regt Survey Jeep as it was following the Recce Jeep down a narrow lane which had been used extensively the week before by the 2nd North Staffs and the 67th FR 446 Bty FOO team during heavy fighting using Universal Carriers. The Recce Team seem to have been going through a gateway to what is now a park between Villa Pietra and Villa Ripoli. The Recce Jeep must have either missed it or driven over it but it didn't detonate. The survey Jeep was not so lucky. The Jeep was reported to have been blown completely over a 6ft wall (or what was left of it). The following next two days were spent organising training for senior NCO's in Mine Detection and clearance. One sergeant later found 25 mines on his Battery location.
    Disclaimer: not being an RE I am not an expert and this might be a copy of a German Teller mine as it is a domed shape more like a bowl than a plate.
     
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2019

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