Any Further Information?? Suggestions Welcomed!

Hi
I seem to have hit a brick wall with these men any suggestions as to where the missing recommendations /citations /official notifications may be hiding ? All suggestions welcomed on this one.

Military Cross `For Services prior to Capture`
Gazette Issue 37528 published on the 9 April 1946
SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE THURSDAY, 11th APRIL, 1946
The Military Cross
No. 4443770 Warrant Officer Class II William Harry QUALTROUGH, The Durham Light Infantry (St. Johns, I.O.M.). PoW No 8593 (Mis-spelling Qualtrhough in PoWs British Army 39-45) Camp Stalag 383 (foot of the Bavarian Alps, Hohenfefs, Parsberg nr Munich (WILLIAM HARRY QUALTROUGH, b. 1905, Isle of Man; d. Abt. 2000, Rushen, Isle of Man)2nd Battalion The Durham Light Infantry Date of Promotion to Sgt 25th September 1930.Married Florence M Harrison.Sons Peter J born 1930,Roger born 1932,David born 1933.

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These two men also any suggestions as to where the missing recommendations /citations /official notifications may be hiding ? All suggestions welcomed on this one.
Military Medal `For Services prior to Capture`
Gazette Issue 37262 published on the 11 September 1945
SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE,
13th SEPTEMBER, 1945.
The Military Medal.

No. 4447795 Sergeant George William SCOTTOW, The Durham Light Infantry (Sunderland).Stalag 4F Pow No 124193 (C Company 1st DLI 1947 Greece served as CSM)

No. 4464195 Corporal Thomas GOVAN, The 1st Durham
Light Infantry (Altrincham, Lancs).Stalag 357 PoW No 50095 Served Malta and Kos awarded MM for actions on Kos.

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The following are all featured on a Regimental Roll I have from 1947 but finding out other information on their awards has been difficult to say the least.
All British Empire Medal holders

Gazette Issue 37412 published on the 28 December 1945
SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 9 JANUARY, 1946
4462292 Sergeant Thomas George William Porter COFFIN, The 8th Durham Light Infantry
　
Gazette Issue 37119 published on the 8 June 1945
SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 14 JUNE, 1945
No. 4799959 Sergeant . John William KEAL,
The Durham Light Infantry (Ex Lincs)

Gazette Issue 37412 published on the 28 December 1945
SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 9 JANUARY, 1946
4034266 Corporal Cecil James TOLLEY, The
Durham Light Infantry.(Ex KSLI)

Gazette Issue 35204 published on the 27 June 1941
SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 1 JULY, 1941
No. 4265889 Lance-Corporal (acting Corporal)
Henry. Lowes, The Durham Light Infantry.(Ex RNF)



These three I cannot find anywhere not even a regimental number unfortunately.
Sgt W R Prest The Durham Light Infantry BEM.
Sgt W Tilley The Durham Light Infantry BEM
Colour Sgt C L Bustard The Durham Light Infantry BEM

31st December 2010 additional;-
Whilst following advice re the above found another BEM holder DLI not listed TNA;-

Gazette Issue 37476 published on the 19 February 1946
SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 21 FEBRUARY, 1946
CENTRAL CHANCERY OF THE ORDERS
OF KNIGHTHOOD.
St. James's Palace, S.W.i.
21st February, 1946.
The KING has been graciously pleased to approve
the award o£ the British Empire Medal (Military
Division), in recognition of gallant and distinguished
services while prisoners of war, to the undermentioned
: —
No. 4451041 Corporal Edwin Oscar RAMAGE, The
'Durham Light Infantry (Co. Durham).
.
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Scratch this one off the list
Gazette Issue 35204 published on the 27 June 1941
SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 1 JULY, 1941
No. 4265889 Lance-Corporal (acting Corporal)
Henry. Lowes, The Durham Light Infantry.(Ex RNF)



British Empire Medal, (Military) G.VI.R., 1st issue (No.4265889 A/Cpl. Henry Lowes), in damaged card box of issue, minor edge bruising, nearly extremely fine sold for £300 by Dix Noonan Webb 5th April 2006

B.E.M. London Gazette 1 July 1941. Recommendation states: ‘4265889 Lance-Corporal Henry Lower (note different surname to medal), 10th Battalion, The Durham Light Infantry, Iceland Force’ ‘Lance-Corporal Lower has shown outstanding devotion to duty, initiative and resource in command of an isolated coast watch post, often under very trying climatic conditions’.

Only 10 B.E.M’s. awarded to the D.L.I. in the Second World War

Anyone know where the Auction houses get their copies of citations/recommendations ? Even with the surname altered as above the NA search still draws a blank! 10 BEM`s corresponds to my roll to which is a relief.

 

Hi Jim,

Assuming you have used the free route via the online SE at National Archives have you tried variations of units and names? Sometimes the names/units are spelt wrong by the NA which makes them a bit difficult to find. Sadly the SE does not show variations just exact spellings that they have put in.

A

 

For those that were POWs try the MI9 /WO files

 

Hi Jim,

Assuming you have used the free route via the online SE at National Archives have you tried variations of units and names? Sometimes the names/units are spelt wrong by the NA which makes them a bit difficult to find. Sadly the SE does not show variations just exact spellings that they have put in.

A


For those that were POWs try the MI9 /WO files


Thanks lads have`nt gone into these options in great detail but from what I have tried again there doesnt seem to be a link or clue to any of them.How many Qualtrough`s from the IoM would you expect to find listed but as Andy states depends on the exact spelling on the document.I could think of an alternative for Bustard !
Cheers anyway I`ve got a couple of free days...better keep trawling.
Jim, I know it mightn't be much help, but recently I found a MiD (officer KIA) which had not been indexed for searching in TNA's Docsonline - was in amongst MC papers for a fellow officer in POW E&E awards. (Will put them on a sep. thread when I have a spare moment, but please find attached)

To be honest the POW awards are my least favourite pdfs to look through as the documentation can be all over the place ... so not surprising if some were passed over during the data input process. This particular chap's MiD was 'in amongst' MC papers for fellow officer on same mission, and it was lucky that I found his name in Wiki article of all places.

Have you tried papers from recipients area? If auction houses are selling medals, some might likely come with some original documentation given to recipient ... no?

It's always best to use Regtl No, when searching for individuals who names may have been misspelt, but I checked the first 2 on your list and agree - no result with TNA. Pity you as you don't have no.s for some of them... all I can offer is "best of luck!" with them.


Thanks Diane I`m about to see if they feature on the same pages as those gazetted with them hopefully they may be tucked away ...but thinking about it Govan and Scottow were gazetted together and both are resisting my efforts to find them! Scottow rings so much of a bell! I`m going to re-check my records/files I have already for indeed as you say his award may be on another persons file. The auction houses occasionally state citation not available which I had assumed was not listed.One such group came up in late 2008 but a few months later the same group appeared at a different auction house with citation...weird!
Thanks
Jim

 

No. 4443770 Warrant Officer Class II William Harry QUALTROUGH, The Durham Light Infantry (St. Johns, I.O.M.). PoW No 8593 (Mis-spelling Qualtrhough in PoWs British Army 39-45) Camp Stalag 383 (foot of the Bavarian Alps, Hohenfefs, Parsberg nr Munich (WILLIAM HARRY QUALTROUGH, b. 1905, Isle of Man; d. Abt. 2000, Rushen, Isle of Man)



Just searched the TNA using other names and numbers from the same London Gazette page ...no matches for any of those recipients looks like none of their recommendations are on the TNA (at least not under their own names and numbers)

 

These three I cannot find anywhere not even a regimental number unfortunately.
Sgt W R Prest The Durham Light Infantry BEM.
Sgt W Tilley The Durham Light Infantry BEM
Colour Sgt C L Bustard The Durham Light Infantry BEM


The above list should now read
No. 4272986 Sergeant William Ronald Prest, The Durham Light Infantry.BEM
No 4272545 Sergeant William Tilley The Durham Light Infantry.BEM
No. 394272 Colour-Sergeant Charles Leslie Bustard, The Durham Light Infantry.BEM

All Regimental numbers now found.



Sgt William Tilley was RA (old 5th & 7th DLI) his medals were sold for £240 so I was able to get some information from the listing

B.E.M. London Gazette 10 April 1945: Sergeant, Durham Light Infantry. The recommendation states: ‘W/Sergeant William Tilley, 53 Searchlight Regiment R.A. This N.C.O. has been an Assistant Battle Instructor of his Troop for the past two years, during which time he has shown great devotion to duty both day and by night. He has been indefatigable in his efforts with regard to the training and his hard work allied to the undoubted ability and drive has gone far to make his particular Troop one of the most efficient and outstanding in 409 Searchlight Battery. His Troop has always shown considerable success both during exercises and against the enemy, which are entirely due to his enthusiasm and operational efficiency. His powers of organisation are of the highest order.’


Full medal entitlement of ;-
British Empire Medal (Military) G.VI.R., 1st issue (4272545 Sgt. William Tilley); Defence & War Medals; Efficiency Medal, Territorial, G.VI.R., 1st issue (4272545 Sjt., D.L.I.)

4443770 Warrant Officer Class II William Harry QUALTROUGH


I contacted his family who had no idea of the award of a MC let alone why it was awarded





Date:LONDON GAZETTE 6 April 1945 Issue number:37025 CENTRAL CHANCERY OF THE ORDERS OF KNIGHTHOOD.

St. James's Palace, S.W.1.
10th April, 1945.
The KING has been graciously pleased to approve the award of the British Empire Medal (Military Division), in recognition of Meritorious Services, to the undermentioned: —

No. 4272986 Sergeant William Ronald Prest, The Durham Light Infantry.BEM
No 4272545 Sergeant William Tilley The Durham Light Infantry.BEM


SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 1st JANUARY, 1944
Gazette Issue 36309 published on the 31 December 1943
The KING has been graciously pleased to approve the award of the British Empire Medal
(Military Division) to the undermentioned;-
No. 394272 Colour-Sergeant Charles Leslie Bustard, The Durham Light Infantry.

Charles Leslie Bustard also served with 1/4 KOYLI he was awarded the BEM,1939-45 Star ,War,Defence, TE Medals. and 1952 Coronation Medal(Awards held at the KOYLI museum in Doncaster)
Best Wishes

Jim

 

The entry in the London Gazette Birthday Honours List in July 1941 which listed the award did have his name spelt correctly. TNA advised that the citation had not survived.

I have known about this man and his award for some time and have visited recently the site of the relevant Coast Watching Post (Skagastrond) in pursuit of my researches on 70th Infantry Brigade.

An Icelandic Author who is writing a piece on Cpl Lowes has been waiting for this citation for some time, as have I. Delighted to see it has turned up - many thanks.

John L Dixon
70th Brigade Researcher
North East War Memorials Project

 

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