Airplane

Discussion in 'The Barracks' started by Tanja van Zon-Anderson, Jun 13, 2012.

  1. Tanja van Zon-Anderson

    Tanja van Zon-Anderson Senior Member

    Hallo,

    Can somebody tell me what type of airplane this is?

    Greetings

    Tanja
     

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  2. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

  3. Orwell1984

    Orwell1984 Senior Member

  4. Tanja van Zon-Anderson

    Tanja van Zon-Anderson Senior Member

    The photo is made by a frend in a museum at Fassberg.



    Greetings

    Tanja
     
  5. Tanja van Zon-Anderson

    Tanja van Zon-Anderson Senior Member

    Thank you very much.
     
  6. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Fassberg? Here are a few more photos of the C-47 link

    No need for thanks, Tanja, we're all here to help but it's nicer that way :)
     
  7. Doc

    Doc Senior Member

    I can't see the color scheme, but if it is civilian, it would be classed as a DC-3 rather than a C-47. Minor point, I know, but the C-47 was the military version of the DC-3. Doc
     
  8. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

  9. Doc

    Doc Senior Member

    Yep, that's definitely a post-war military paint scheme. Note that it is marked "Air Force", and the US Air Force was not formed until 1947, and the addition of the horizontal red lines in the national insignia dates from 1947. Is that the same bird you originally posted? I note that it is not under cover as is the original photo. Doc
     
  10. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    It's the same bird yes, the photos were taken (2008) before the roof was added. As for the inconsistencies you rightly find, it isn't the first time research work is shown to be badly done :) As a matter of fact, I myself overlooked the details you mentioned :blush:

    Here are two more photos of the a C-47 with the same serial number. If the museum C-47 has the original SN, this probably is the same plane. link

    - added -

    And here. The caption reads:

    Approaching Northolt 08, ex 43-15208, a Berlin Air Lift veteran, went to U.S. 1974 then Guatemalan Air Force for whom it was converted to a BaslerBT-67, At Northolt during Farnborough 1972
     
  11. Doc

    Doc Senior Member

    No real inconsistencies--- It very well could have been a 1943 US Army Air Corps bird which was later transferred to the US Air Force (after 1947). It certainly could have been involved in the Berlin Airlift. The only fact missing which would help is to find out when it was transferred to Guatemala (WAY outside my knowledge base). It certainly could have been marked that way during the Berlin Airlift, though most photos I have seen with these markings were shiney metal, rather than Olive Drab. Doc
     
  12. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

  13. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    No real inconsistencies--- It very well could have been a 1943 US Army Air Corps bird which was later transferred to the US Air Force (after 1947). It certainly could have been involved in the Berlin Airlift. The only fact missing which would help is to find out when it was transferred to Guatemala (WAY outside my knowledge base). It certainly could have been marked that way during the Berlin Airlift, though most photos I have seen with these markings were shiney metal, rather than Olive Drab. Doc

    It's interesting the multiple lives some airplanes may lead, some of them do last a lot a years if under TLC.

    Here's a good photo of C-47s in Tempelhof, greens and silvers from those magnificent people at PlaneaDay.com :)

    Douglas_C-47s_050426-F-1234P-008.jpg

    The one nearest is 315622, so almost there :)

    http://www.luftbrueckenmuseum.de/downloads/flyer-2012-englisch.pdf


    Thank you Wills, to me the Berlin Airlift is a great story, of courage and competence for starters.
     
  14. Doc

    Doc Senior Member

    Here's a good photo of C-47s in Tempelhof, greens and silvers from those magnificent people at PlaneaDay.com :)

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    Yes, I have seen that photo before. But, note that the olive drab one is not marked with the USAF marking, as per the original of this string. Definite post 1947 wing markings. Bottom line: At that period of transition between the Army Air Corps and the US Air Force, people had lots of things to think about other than painting the aircraft in conformity with new regulations. Doc
     
  15. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Yes, Doc, that and museum repaints that may be not totally up to scratch ;)

    This Tempelhof photo is also interesting for another reason. Look at this nearest green C-47. The outer wing panels appear to be brand new as compared with the patched up fuselage, the ailerons are light in colour, perhaps even silver, etc, etc. Yes, people had more to think of :)
     
  16. Tanja van Zon-Anderson

    Tanja van Zon-Anderson Senior Member

    Doc, I hope this with will put your doubts to rest :)

    Fassberg Flyer | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

    By seeing al these photo's mu question is answerd.

    Your discussion have learned me more about this airplane and how to look at it. I did not know anything about colours scheme, serialnumbers. etc.
    I also thougth that all the allied of the WW2 had airforces.

    So I am very pleased with all the kind reactions.

    Greetings

    Tanja
     
  17. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Very glad to have been of help, myself and I'm sure the other contributors to this thread. Allow me to restate my post no.6 above :)
     

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