Aircrash:Sir John Carden, 6th Baronet:Carden Lloyd Tankette

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  1. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Sir John Carden, 6th Baronet - Wikipedia

    John Valentine CARDEN (1892-1935) - Find A Grave...
    Savoia-Marchetti S.73 OO-AGN, Sabena

    Stalled and crashed, near Tatsfield, Kent

    Capt Graf Jean Joseph Henri Gerard Schoonbroodt (33) killed (pilot)

    Alfons Verbinnen (38) killed (mechanic)

    Jean Francois Desmedt (36) killed (wireless operator)

    Raymond Jacques Streckfuss (25) killed (steward)

    Sir John Valentine Carden MBE (43) killed

    Miss Elfriede Czaja (27) killed (German)

    Egmont Heintzmann (45) killed (German)

    Eugene Julien Marie Louis Samyn (48) killed (Belgian)

    Mrs Else Schüler (38) killed

    Gaston Victor Somny (44) killed

    Gyula Zukmann (30) killed (Hungarian)

    ASN Aircraft accident Savoia-Marchetti S.73 OO-AGN Tatsfield
  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    John Valentine CARDEN
    BIRTH 5 Feb 1892
    Chelsea Harbour, London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham, Greater London, England
    DEATH 10 Dec 1935 (aged 43)
    Tatsfield, Tandridge District, Surrey, England
    St Peter's Churchyard
    Frimley, Surrey Heath Borough, Surrey, England Show Map

    Sir John Valentine Carden, 6th Baronet of Templemore MBE, was born on the 5th February 1892 in Chelsea, the son of Sir John Valentine Carden 5th Baronet of Templemore in Tipperary, Ireland, and his wife Sybil Martha (nee Baker). He was their only son.
    In 1911 he was living with his mother and sister in Dartmouth, Devonshire. He married first Vera Madeleine Hervet d’Egville on the 18th September 1915. They were divorced by 1925 when he married Dorothy Mary McKinnon. They had one son John Craven Carden, born on the 11th March 1926.

    He served as a Captain in the Royal Army Service Corps in WW1. His interest in engineering stemmed from before this period. In 1914 he ran the Carden Engineering Company in Farnham, which produced light cars under the brand-name Carden; the first product he produced was a vehicle for a single person, rather similar to a motor-sidecar. During his army service he worked with Holt tractors, and after his service he returned to manufacturing cyclecars as they became known.

    In 1920 he was living in Ascot, but by 1927 had purchased a cottage in Field Lane Frimley, known as Tomlins Cottage. In 1934 he was living at Carwarden House in Camberley

    He was a passionate flier taking his Flying Certificate in an Aero Gipsy Moth on the 19th August 1930. He was a member of the Royal Aero Aviators’ Club. Ironically it was on a flight on a Belgian (Sabona) aircraft that he was killed, along will ten other passengers and crew. The accident took place at Tatsfield in Surrey on the 10th December 1935. According to the inquest it fell in a field adjoining the grounds of a house known as Mosscroft in Kelmsley Road, Tatsfield.

    His obituary in The Times (12.12.1935) said his death was ‘a heavy blow to the progress of mechanization in the British Army, and it comes at a peculiarly unfortunate time. He and Lieutenant-Colonel G Le Q Martel were the pioneers in the light tank field and by their respective work in creating a miniature armoured fighting vehicle cheap to build and difficult to hit, they gave rise to a development which has world-wide repercussions on the method of warfare and the organisation of armies’. What the obituary does not reveal is that both Carden and Martel lived in Camberley and had set up a small factory in Frimley Road, where they manufactured these tanks. They became known as the Carden or Carden-Loyd tanks. Named after Carden and Captain Vivien Loyd of Copped Hall Camberley who worked together on producing these tanks, they had started their business venture in Chertsey The obituary went on to reveal that 20 foreign armies were at that time using these new tanks. In addition to his cyclecars and tanks Carden also worked on an ultralight plane known as the ‘Flying Flea’. In 1935 in conjunction with a Mr Baynes he founded the Carden-Baynes Aircraft Company.

    His funeral was also reported in The Times (17. 12.1935). It said his coffin was borne by non-commissioned officers of the Royal Tank Corps. The mourners included the Chairman of Frimley & Camberley UDC (Dorothy Worsley), representatives from the General Ordnance, The Ford Motor Company, Vickers Armstrong and Captain Vivien Loyd and his family.

    He died on the 10th December and his funeral was held at St Peter’s, Frimley on the 16th December 1935.
    Research: Mary Ann Bennett.
    John Valentine CARDEN (1892-1935) - Find A Grave...
  3. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    5th Baronet was Sir John Craven Carden... as was his son, the 7th Baronet. (The Peerage)
    Valentine came from his father in law, General Valentine Baker.
    His uncle, Major Henry Charles Carden, D S O, was killed 25 September 1915 with the Devon Regiment, aged 60!!!
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  4. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

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  5. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian researcher

    He also designed the suspension used in the A9, A10, Valentine and Archer. (Although I think it was influenced by Horstmann's suspensions). Or as Don Juan wrote in another thread, he got Horstmann to design it.
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  6. Robert-w

    Robert-w Banned

    How do you get a name from a Father in Law?. Presumably normal fashion was followed and he was named long long before he was married!

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