Ack Ack Guns on Fordham Heath Essex 1944

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  1. Wendyshep

    Wendyshep Member

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    There has been a great deal of conversation about this photo in our history society. Some locals are saying that it is Fordham Heath Essex. But others say that it is not possible as the background of the photo looks coastal and Fordham Heath is 25 miles from the coastal town of Clacton and 38 miles from Southend. Has anyone any information that might confirm that this is Fordham Heath Essex? We know that the heath was requisitioned by the army and that there were pill boxes along the Colne; they are still there. But as for these huge guns on the heath, we have no information.
     
  2. Robert-w

    Robert-w Banned

    Given the date it's possibly an anti V1 battery
    The Essex Society for Archaeology and History has details of most of the major AA sites in Essex and a fairly extensive library in Essex University
    Apologies if I'm teaching how to suck eggs
     
  3. Ewen Scott

    Ewen Scott Well-Known Member

  4. travers1940

    travers1940 Well-Known Member

    You probably know this already, but this is what it says in an Eight Ash Green parish plan:

    The early part of the twentieth century witnessed slow but steady growth. The First World War saw the upper area of Fordham Heath turned into a camp for the Somerset Yeomanry, where horses and men were trained for war. The Second World War had a more profound effect on our area, with the MOD requisitioning land on the Heath for anti aircraft guns and search lights on what is now the cricket pitch.

    https://eightashgreenvillage.files....lan-whole-document-version-10-no-feedback.pdf
     
  5. hutt

    hutt Member

    The area probably fell under the coverage of 2nd AA Group and the Diver Box covering south Anglia and there are a number of diaries at Kew. I would be surprised if non of them had any references to individual sites and their grid references

    WO166/15509
    WO166/16640
    WO166/14623
    WO166/14621
    WO166/14622
    WO166/14624

    I agree the picture looks deceiving but it could just have been misty in the distance. There is nothing to definitively locate the photo but if the diaries confirm the guns and their sizes you could at least conclude that it might have been taken on the heath.

    Also, in Dobinsons AA Command, there are no grid references in the list of HSS sites that are likely matches but the list is, I think more correct for the early part of the war. They tend to correlate with the map in Ewen's post.

    There is however, a table for the AA strengths for Overlord and Diver with Colchester listed under Midlands and East Anglia with the actual numbers of 3.7 inch guns between 29 03 44 and 30 08 44
     
  6. Alec1935

    Alec1935 Active Member

    There is this which is close and it had mobile guns which your photo shows from here Heritage Gateway - Results

    Heavy Anti Aircraft Battery Colchester C5
    Hob Uid: 1471900
    Location :
    Essex
    Tendring
    Elmstead
    Grid Ref : TM0470026300
    Summary : Site of Second World War heavy anti aircraft battery at Crockleford Heath, which formed part of the defences of Colchester. It was armed with four 3.7-inch mobile guns with GL Mark II radar in 1942, when it was manned by 229 Battery of the 71st Royal Artillery Regiment.
    More information :
    Sources :

    Source Number : 1
    Source : Twentieth century fortifications in England, volume 1. Anti-aircraft artillery : England's air defence gunsites, 1914-46
    Source details :
    Page(s) : 342
    Figs. :
    Plates :
    Vol(s) :
    Monument Types:
    Monument Period Name : Second World War
    Display Date : Second World War
    Monument End Date : 1945
    Monument Start Date : 1939
    Monument Type : Heavy Anti Aircraft Battery
    Evidence : Documentary Evidence
    Components and Objects:Related Records from other datasets:
    External Cross Reference Source : National Monuments Record Number
    External Cross Reference Number : TM 02 NW 99
    External Cross Reference Notes :
     
  7. Alec1935

    Alec1935 Active Member

    As is this, again having mobile guns, from Heritage Gateway - Results

    Heavy Anti Aircraft Battery Colchester C6
    Hob Uid: 1472187
    Location :
    Essex
    Colchester
    Colchester
    Grid Ref : TL9860021300
    Summary : Site of Second World War heavy anti aircraft battery at Fridaywood Farm, which formed part of the defences of Colchester. It was armed with four 3.7-inch mobile guns with GL Mark II radar in 1942, when it was manned by 229 Battery of the 71st Royal Artillery Regiment.
    More information :
    Sources :

    Source Number : 1
    Source : Twentieth century fortifications in England, volume 1. Anti-aircraft artillery : England's air defence gunsites, 1914-46
    Source details :
    Page(s) : 342
    Figs. :
    Plates :
    Vol(s) :
    Monument Types:
    Monument Period Name : Second World War
    Display Date : Second World War
    Monument End Date : 1945
    Monument Start Date : 1939
    Monument Type : Heavy Anti Aircraft Battery
    Evidence : Documentary Evidence
    Components and Objects:Related Records from other datasets:
    External Cross Reference Source : National Monuments Record Number
    External Cross Reference Number : TL 92 SE 127
    External Cross Reference Notes :
     

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