Able Seaman Colin Grazier G.C.

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  1. BereniceUK

    BereniceUK Well-Known Member

    Colin Grazier - Tamworth Heritage Trust

    In St Editha's Square, Tamworth.

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    "This memorial is dedicated to Able Seaman
    Colin Grazier of Two Gates, Tamworth, who
    gave his life recovering vital Enigma codes
    from a sinking German U-boat.
    His extraordinary bravery together with that
    of Lt Tony Fasson and Tommy Brown ( all
    of HMS Petard ) changed the course of WWII
    saving countless lives worldwide.
    While undoubtedly one of the world's
    greatest war heroes, Grazier was also one
    of the least known. Details of his actions
    remained secret for decades, depriving him
    of the true recognition he so richly deserved.
    This tribute was erected in the Year 2002.
    Following a campaign in the Tamworth
    Herald which attracted worldwide interest
    it was made possible with the support of
    local ex-service and civic organisations."

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    Nearby is The Colin Grazier Hotel.

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    In Tamworth's War Memorial Hall.

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  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960
    Name: Colin Grazier
    Event: Death
    Birth Date: 7 May 1920
    Birth Place: Tamworth, Staffs.
    Death Date: 30 Oct 1942
    Death Age: 22
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    UK, Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972
    Name: C Grazier
    Medal or Award: George Cross
    Service Year: 1942-1945
    Campaign or Service: World War II

    Gazetted 14 Sep 1943


    TD
     
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  3. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    Tamworth Herald 2nd October 1943

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  4. BereniceUK

    BereniceUK Well-Known Member

    Isn't it possible to posthumously give both Fosson and Grazier military honours? I understand the reason for awarding them both the George Cross during the war, but that reason is no longer relevant.
     
  5. jonheyworth

    jonheyworth Senior Member

    The story of the 17 year old NAAFI boy who helped them is pathos itself
     
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  6. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    The George Cross is both a military and a civilian decoration. Militarily it is outranked only by the Victoria Cross so I do not understand Post 4.
     
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  7. BereniceUK

    BereniceUK Well-Known Member

    The general public perception of the George Cross seems to be that it's solely a civilian award. The inscription on the plaque doesn't even mention its award to Colin Grazier.

    "Colin Grazier and Tony Fasson were later recommended for posthumous awards of the Victoria Cross but the Admiralty, concerned this might draw unwanted attention from German Intelligence, instead ordered posthumous awards of the George Cross, the highest civilian award for bravery" Colin Grazier - Tamworth Heritage Trust
     
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  8. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure the Tamworth Heritage Trust has got this right. They may have been recommended for Victoria Crosses, if so it is more likely the Admiralty amended the recommendation but not for the reason given. As I understand it the Victoria Cross is only awarded for extreme bravery in combat (ie: under actual enemy action) in all other cases the George Cross is the appropriate award. Classic example of military award of the George Cross would be for mine or bomb disposal etc.
    Come what may anyone who is awarded the VC or GC is an amazing person and truly deserves our admiration.
     
  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Medals: campaigns, descriptions and eligibility - GOV.UK

    Victoria Cross
    The Victoria Cross is the premier Operational Gallantry award given for ‘most conspicuous bravery, or some daring or pre-eminent act of valour or self sacrifice, or extreme devotion to duty in the presence of the enemy’.

    It may be awarded to all ranks of the services and civilians and can be awarded posthumously. Individuals who perform a further act of such gallantry which would have merited a second award of the VC would be issued with a bar.


    George Cross
    The George Cross is the premier award given for non-operational gallantry or gallantry not in the presence of an enemy. This is awarded for acts of the greatest heroism or of the most conspicuous courage in circumstances of extreme danger.

    It may be awarded to all ranks of the services and civilians and can be awarded posthumously.

    TD
     
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  10. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Do you mean 2nd October 1943 ?

    Was not Gazetted until 1943. The story about the VC regarding security is one of those things that if repeated often enough becomes true.
     
  11. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    OOOPS, corrected
     
  12. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    Slight correction to your definitions TD. VC may only be awarded to civilians "under military command", it is primarily a military award.
    Tim
     
  13. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    I only quoted the sections I did so as to differeniate between why one would be awarded a VC and someone else a GC i.e one if in the presence of the enemy the other not.
    If people required a more details explanatin then they should have gone to the link I provided and read the full description for each medal -

    Medals: campaigns, descriptions and eligibility - GOV.UK

    Victoria Cross
    The Victoria Cross is the premier Operational Gallantry award given for ‘most conspicuous bravery, or some daring or pre-eminent act of valour or self sacrifice, or extreme devotion to duty in the presence of the enemy’.

    It may be awarded to all ranks of the services and civilians and can be awarded posthumously. Individuals who perform a further act of such gallantry which would have merited a second award of the VC would be issued with a bar.

    The MOD Medal Office does not issue this award.

    George Cross
    The George Cross is the premier award given for non-operational gallantry or gallantry not in the presence of an enemy. This is awarded for acts of the greatest heroism or of the most conspicuous courage in circumstances of extreme danger.

    It may be awarded to all ranks of the services and civilians and can be awarded posthumously.

    The MOD Medal Office does not issue this award


    TD
     
  14. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    I was only pointing out that I believe the link, despite it being GOV.UK, is incorrect in that the VC can only be awarded to civilians under military command not civilians in general. I am however quite happy to be corrected if this is not the case.
    Tim
     

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