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  1. estanton

    estanton Junior Member

    Sorry if being ignorant - first time user.
    I've just accessed dad's army records and am trying to understand them.

    When in the 54th Tng Reg of the Royal Armoured Corps at Perham Down he was recorded as "granted W.T.P.P.". What might that have meant?

    He then went to the 61st Training Regiment before being posted end 1943 to N. Africa and then Italy for the duration. Records show "Posted draft RWYAF" and "posted RAC TD x(iv)" . What might those abbreviations have meant?
    In 1945 he was "appointed A/U/L/Cpl and then A/P/L/Cpl". The L/Cpl bit is obvious but what of the A/U and A/P?

    Thanks anyone who can shed light.
  2. Owen

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  3. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Hi Estanton.... Welcome aboard !

    posted RAC TD

    Royal Armoured Corps Training Depot

    If he had already arrived in Italy it was sited at Rieti, I know because I did my own re-training there after my Ack Ack unit was disbanded.

    The Draft number (such as RWYAF) was simply a code name for the draft in question, my own was REAYK.


  4. Heimbrent

    Heimbrent Well-Known Member

    (Not exactly an abbreviation)
    Can anyone tell me how "tableau de dotation" translates to English? :confused:
  5. Richard Lewis

    Richard Lewis Member

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    [FONT=&quot]TED (Tableau d'Effectifs et de Dotation) is a manning & equipment list. <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1>US</st1></st1:country-region> equivalent is TOE (table of organization and equipment)<o></o>[/FONT]
  6. Heimbrent

    Heimbrent Well-Known Member

    Thank you very much!
  7. DanMed

    DanMed Member

    That helped me understand my dad's appointment of U/L/Cpl - couldn't figure out the U part (or even if it was perhaps a V). Thanks
  8. bofors

    bofors Senior Member


    It would be u as in unpaid, sometimes the handwriting is not too good. My Dad had the same rank at one stage.

  9. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Surely tableau de notation ? = Scorecard (nearest translation to English)

    Just a thought

  10. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran


    in my day ( '43) the 54th RAC training regt was at Barnard Castle along with the 61st at Streatlam with 59th further along the road - the 61st was the parent regt which sent all overseas from Liverpool - Greenock and usually Algiers and

    on to Italy.....and as Ron says the Training Depots in italy were at both Rieti and Gubbio...the TD Xiv means that he was transferred from the Training Depot to a regiment but you don't tell us which one ... ?


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