A13 in German use

Discussion in 'Weapons, Technology & Equipment' started by Paul Reed, Jan 15, 2010.

  1. Paul Reed

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  2. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    I would imagine so mate. Interesting kit nonetheless.
     
  3. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

  4. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    Interesting - well found there, Ger!
     
  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Cribbed from 'Captured American & British tanks', by Regenberg:
    57 MkIV & 8 MkIVA A13s lost in France of 300+ built. Some African usage too.
    c.100 sent to France making it the commonest British tank there in 1940, 6 still in British service by 1941, though only one functional.
    Captured examples were pressed into designated English Captured Vehicle companies early on in the 1940 Campaigns, and later used by Pz.Abt. (Flamm) 100. This unit still had 9 left on 22/06/41, but all were out of service a month later.

    Checking in 'Tank Turret Fortifications' - though it seems c.200 cruisers of all types were captured none of the turrets were sent to the Atlantic wall fortifications, though some captured in the Desert were dug in by the Afrika korps. Difficulty in sourcing ammunition is cited as a possible reason for their lack of use when compared to other Allied types. (This may also explain the later conversion of gun tanks to Flammenwerfers).

    Intriguing that there was a German designation for the Covenanter, when it was virtually impossible they'd have lain hands on one. Very thorough to have a designation ready and waiting, just in case.
     
  6. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    That one I'd never seen :)
     
  7. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

  8. phylo_roadking

    phylo_roadking Very Senior Member

    That's quite a vote of confidence for the old MkIV...seeing as they thought the Churchills they captured at Dieppe they thought weren't worth using!

    But it doesn't beat my personal favourite beutepanzer from Dieppe...

    [​IMG]
     
  9. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    Good grief!
     
  10. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    That MkVI '10.5 cm leFH-16 auf Geschutzwagen auf Fahrgestell Mk VI 736 (e)' (snappy title, as ever) is a personal favourite of mine too Phylo. Coincidentally I was just looking at an old post I made about it on a.n.other forum.
    I like to think of it as the 'Baby Elephant' :unsure:
     
  11. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    ...seeing as they thought the Churchills they captured at Dieppe they thought weren't worth using!


    Either that or they couldn't move the brutes :)
     
  12. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Back to the kit, do they do a British version, as it seems to me the only way they can make an early war British tank is to make it a German one.
    :(
     
  13. Paul Reed

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  14. Paul Reed

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  15. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Bronco are making quite a wave in finally producing some decent British Vehicles in 1/35th, rather a neglected area (been tempted by their Bailey Bridge for a while too) - Shame about the scary price rises that have affected 35th kits over the last year though.

    seeing as they thought the Churchills they captured at Dieppe they thought weren't worth using!

    Not strictly true, despite that rather famously damning post-Dieppe technical report.
    From the same titles as above:

    One example of each type taken were cobbled together for evaluation by the WaPruf, (leading to that report) and some 6pdr Mk.IIIs served with Beutepanzer Company 81, (later to become Panzer Regt.100). They were still knocking around with them at 1943's end before being transferred to another Beutepanzer unit. Parts & Ammunition shortages finally killed them off before they were sent for target duty.

    Turrets - Likely only one solitary MK III mounted near Le Havre at Montvilliers la Rive.
     
  16. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Back to the 18th Panzer Division. Apart from the "Sealion MkIII's" I cant find any reference to the usage of the A13's. Maybe they just picked any Panzer Division although I always thought they tried to be realistic in their marking schemes.
     
  17. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    That's quite a vote of confidence for the old MkIV...seeing as they thought the Churchills they captured at Dieppe they thought weren't worth using!

    But it doesn't beat my personal favourite beutepanzer from Dieppe...

    [​IMG]

    It really does look good in it's new role.
    I wonder how effective it was after the modifications:unsure:, but it certainly looks the part.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  18. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    It really does look good in it's new role.
    I wonder how effective it was after the modifications:unsure:, but it certainly looks the part.

    Regards
    Tom
    It looks like its about to topple over :lol:
     
  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Back to the 18th Panzer Division. Apart from the "Sealion MkIII's" I cant find any reference to the usage of the A13's. Maybe they just picked any Panzer Division although I always thought they tried to be realistic in their marking schemes.

    I don't quite follow Ger?
    The 'Sealion Mk.IIIs' referred to would likely be the Tauchpanzer (underwater) version of the Pz.III, and nothing to do with any captured vehicle.

    The extensive use of captured vehicles wasn't exactly well-covered, the contemporary propaganda machine being unlikely to trumpet their use (other than in specific areas). This seems to have fed into a slightly thinnner amount of info on them now.
     
  20. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    I don't quite follow Ger?
    The 'Sealion Mk.IIIs' referred to would likely be the Tauchpanzer(underwater) version of the Pz.III, and nothing to do with any captured vehicle.

    The extensive use of captured vehicles wasn't exactly well-covered, the contemporary propaganda machine being unlikely to trumpet their use (other than in specific areas). This seems to have fed into a slightly thinnner amount of info on them now.
    Sorry mate, my point was that I was unable to ascertain the types of tanks employed by 18th Panzer Division.Other than a mention of the Tauchpanzers, in terms of the make up of the Division by Tank types I was drawing a blank.
     

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