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Discussion in 'The Holocaust' started by angie999, Feb 6, 2005.

  1. angie999

    angie999 Very Senior Member

    Only once have I ever seen a tattooed number on someone's arm. This was well over 20 years ago and I cannot remember his name. He lived in Southend on Sea, as I did then, grew up in Romania and he was next to me on a demonstration held to protest at a planned march in the town by a group of neo-Nazis.

    We didn't talk much about his experiences, but I remember seeing that his tattoo had the prefix "B". As far as I know, Auschwitz was the only place which tattooed numbers and the "B" stood for Birkenau.

    I used to see him around, as he was a member of the Labour Party, as I was then, but I never got to talk to him about his experiences. I don't even know if he would have talked. I lost contact when I moved to the Bristol area in 1984.

    Silly, I know, but just seeing this has left me with a deep feeling of personal connection to what happened ever since. Before then, it was somehow just more academic and less personal.
     
  2. neo-nazi

    neo-nazi Guest

    hummmmm...dont you think that if they were really "death camps"...then maybe...no one would have survived them...hummmmmm...lets ponder that thought...
     
  3. Wise1

    Wise1 There We Are Then

    The Germans were never organised enough to ensure nobody survived, and even at that they did not want everyone dead, there would have been nobody to run the camps, the SS culd ot have done it on their own.
     
  4. neo-nazi

    neo-nazi Guest

    also though...Hitler never gave the go for the final solution...he also never said no to it (i've had that pointed out before dont worry) eithier...but he did what he thought was nessesry to get ried of them...all though i dont agree with some of the actions of the nazi's, but we have similer goals; we want a white nation...
     
  5. Wise1

    Wise1 There We Are Then

    I agree that the final solution (glad you used that term) was not just Hitlers idea, it developed over time, but it would never have happened unless he agreed to it.

    When you say "we" have similar goals in wanting a white nation, who are "we"?
     
  6. Nick

    Nick Member

    hummmmm...dont you think that if they were really "death camps"...then maybe...no one would have survived them...hummmmmm...lets ponder that thought...

    well it wasnt for a lack of trying, its only because they ran out of ammo trying to kill everyone, so if everyone is dead in a death camp that is ok, that proves it was a death camp, but if one person survives the camp that means it wasnt one?

    well you cant argue with that logic
     
  7. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    I agree that the final solution (glad you used that term) was not just Hitlers idea, it developed over time, but it would never have happened unless he agreed to it.

    When you say "we" have similar goals in wanting a white nation, who are "we"?

    Having checked that individual's biography and web page, I determine that "we" consists of himself and a pal, at least one of whom failed English -- the white man's language. :lol:
     
  8. Wise1

    Wise1 There We Are Then

    And if you follow the links to his forum there is 1 post :)

    Popular stuff this white supremacy!
     
  9. Nick

    Nick Member

    its incredible what you can read on these types of sites, they just ooze pure evil and hatred, i frequently wonder how some people can carry such beliefs, you often hear that jews have breainwashed us all for believing in the holocaust through controlled media and to me its plain to see that these people are the ones who have been brainwashed.

    does anyone know what parts of the holocaust they try and deny, is the whole thing. is it gas chambers, is it death squads, human experimentation or is it deathcamps? , do some believe that some of it did happen but the figures are exagerated?, it would be interesting to speak to to a denier who can discuss it intelligently instead of skin head thug with a swastika on his forehead.
     
  10. angie999

    angie999 Very Senior Member

    They never truly discuss it. They endlessly repeat a few "standard" themes, most of which are summaried at this reliable site:

    http://www.nizkor.org/
     
  11. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    its incredible what you can read on these types of sites, they just ooze pure evil and hatred, i frequently wonder how some people can carry such beliefs, you often hear that jews have breainwashed us all for believing in the holocaust through controlled media and to me its plain to see that these people are the ones who have been brainwashed.

    does anyone know what parts of the holocaust they try and deny, is the whole thing. is it gas chambers, is it death squads, human experimentation or is it deathcamps? , do some believe that some of it did happen but the figures are exagerated?, it would be interesting to speak to to a denier who can discuss it intelligently instead of skin head thug with a swastika on his forehead.

    The supreme irony of the whole situation is that while they deny it ever happened, they are obsessed with discussing it. Raphael Ezekiel, in his excellent book, "The Racist Mind," which interviews and analyzes these jerks, writes that the Holocaust is important to the neo-Nazis, because they are in turn obsessed with their own imminent extinction...the "death of the White Race" is in all of their public stuff.

    Says Ezekiel: "The Holocaust has particular importance in terms of this need to overcome a personal fear of extinction. Truly dreading that you can be liquidated at any moment, it may be terribly important that the force with which you are identitying is so very ruthless, so very determined, so very cold, that it could murder in cold blood, could murder in astonishing numbers. White racists pay incessant attention to the Holocaust. Even denying, they must speak of it, perhaps because the appeal of the Nazi example is exactly that the Holocaust did happen, that the force one has joined is exactly a force that could do this and did do this."

    He also writes, "The Holocaust plays a paradoxical role in (the movement). On the one hand, Holocaust denial matters to the movement, and it pressers claim insistently that it is debatable whether these systematic murders took place. The white racist movement knows that for most people the immediate association with the word nazi is the world Holocaust, an association that hinders broad organizaing. At the same time, I sense that the movement's fascinationg with the Holocaust is exactly that: fascination. The most important thing for members about Hitler's regime is that it was a force so strong and so ruthless that it did not hesitate to murder. I thik contemporary white racists need to talk endlessly about the Holocaust, need to keep saying over and over that it did not happen -- so they can keep talking about it, can keep thinking about it, can keep reassuring themselves that it did happen, that they are part of a movement so merciless that they are safe. If they really believed Nazism had not killed, it would bore them.
    "On occasion I have asked a young militant to imagine, just for a moment, that people like me are telling the truth: that Hitler and his group did kill six million Jews, individuals who were in no way guilty of a crime. Would that make any differnce to him? Every one answered that it would make no difference at all. The Bolsheviks were Jews, they would say, and had killed 20 million Christians themselves, and bad things happen in wartime anyway, and so on. The ponit is that not one of the young men who has been able to imagine for a moment that I am right was at all bothered. I think they are fairly sure that Hitler did murder, and they are fairly glad; it reassures them."

    In other words, it never happened, but it's a good thing it did, because the Jews got what they deserved.

    The final narrative of the Holocaust the the Nazis intend to write would be similar to the existing one, with the difference being that the destruction of the Jews was not an incomparable crime, but the saving of the white Aryan race from a Satanic tribe of subhumans. :eek:
     
  12. Nick

    Nick Member

    get answer kiwiwriter, informative as always catch over on WBG.COM aswell .
     
  13. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    get answer kiwiwriter, informative as always catch over on WBG.COM aswell .

    Thanks for the note on that...I have a special hatred for neo-Nazis, because they rape history, and turn victims into villains. They know the Holocaust happened...they're obsessed with it...and they really don't deny it. They just want it put aside so they can take power, then taken back down off the shelf, reversed, so that it can be seen as a "good thing." But I have to remind myself that they are worthy of only contempt, pity, and derision. Fighting them is important. But the people who deny the Holocaust are not.
     
  14. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    And if you follow the links to his forum there is 1 post :)

    Popular stuff this white supremacy!

    Just glanced at this guy's page...he's had 91 visits, and still only one post on the forum! Founded in October. Now it's January. Nobody cares.

    I find these "true believers" amusing sometimes...they all think that humanity is really on their side, that once the world had the veils removed from its eyes, they will all march behind the "true believer" on to victory and utopia. That's why they keep on confronting people in public settings...they're waiting for the big day when the audience stops laughing at them and ridiculing them, and starts applauding in the millions and throwing flowers.

    But it never happens that way. So they get extremely angry when they get ridicule and insults. That's because true believers, who think they have the definitive answer and are bringing down God's will, are very upset that people don't believe them and don't respect them. How can you disrespect God's chosen one? How can you ridicule the annointed?

    So they blame their perpetual enemies and conspirators for deluding the masses.

    Given the fact that true believers see the "conspiracy" as being everywhere and omnipotent, I am surprised that they get so angry when they get the usual results of their speech. They should have realized by now that the "conspiracy" is waiting for them. But they hold themslves in such importance, that they overlook that point. They give themselves an exaggerated sense of their own worth, value, and importance, to make up for the simple fact that they are of no importance to the world....which they do realize, because their anger and humorlessness shows it.

    I actually feel sorry for them.
     
  15. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    And if you follow the links to his forum there is 1 post :)

    Popular stuff this white supremacy!

    "Neo-Nazi" and his web page are still around, with an incredible 132 visits in 10 months, nothing new added since he started it, and his calendar of events says, "No events for October 2005, but come back soon:...but his forum for discussion no longer exists.

    Yeah...neo-Nazism is really growing. :rolleyes:
     
  16. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    all though i dont agree with some of the actions of the nazi's, but we have similer goals; we want a white nation...


    Since when did the Nazis want a "white" nation?

    What's your opinions on Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, etc? What about the "whiteness" and racial purity of the Chinese, the Japanese, Tibetans, etc? I bet that your opinions differ quite greatly from that of the Nazis.

    How can someone from a "racial melting pot" (to steal a phrase used by someone in quite a famous book of the past to describe Vienna) such as the USA claim to want a "white" nation? I'd be very interested in your own pedigree here Neon-nazi!

    That's what makes me sick about people with your misguided beliefs - too much wasted air shooting off the shite. No matter what my or anyone else's opinions of the Nazis are, one thing is for certain - you wannabes aren't even fit to lick the original's boots!

    Dave
     
  17. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    Sorry - just noticed the age of this thread.(but why did it arrive in my "new posts" section?)

    My apologies for resurrecting it. mods - Please feel free to delete my posts if necessary.

    dave
     
  18. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    No I think we'll leave it there for the benefit of other mis-guided idiots like him.
     
  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    It's popped up because 'The Holocaust' Forum's been merged into this one mate.
    Cheers,
    Adam.
     
  20. BulgarianSoldier

    BulgarianSoldier Senior Member

    hummmmm...dont you think that if they were really "death camps"...then maybe...no one would have survived them...hummmmmm...lets ponder that thought...
    Hahaha man you kick ass :P
    You shouldn't hate jews just cuz some damn skiny busterd with mustages hated them...
     

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