9th Battalion Royal Tank Regiment

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  1. Gerry Chester

    Gerry Chester WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

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  2. MyOldDad

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  3. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Tom -
    I have had a great book on the activities of the 9th RTR for many years - Author Peter Beale -ISBN - 0 -7509-1519-6 Sutton Publishing of Stroud, Glos

    It has all the details of their war activities as well as a complete listing of all
    members including number - name - trade and troop etc - and what happened to them all - as well as all the honours bestowed on each member- even the names of various Tanks - all beginning with "I" - Inverness - Iroquois - Incredible and of course Ilkley !

    It's a good read and of a typical Tank Battalion at work ..
    Cheers
     
  4. MyOldDad

    MyOldDad Senior Member

    Tom -
    I have had a great book on the activities of the 9th RTR for many years - Author Peter Beale -ISBN - 0 -7509-1519-6 Sutton Publishing of Stroud, Glos

    It has all the details of their war activities as well as a complete listing of all
    members including number - name - trade and troop etc - and what happened to them all - as well as all the honours bestowed on each member- even the names of various Tanks - all beginning with "I" - Inverness - Iroquois - Incredible and of course Ilkley !

    It's a good read and of a typical Tank Battalion at work ..
    Cheers

    Hello Tom,
    I will certainly look out for the book.
    I only stumbled on this site yesterday - there is a lot of interest there.

    Peter Beale:

    PeterBeale.jpg

    The tank names are listed here also:

    APPENDIX IV: 9 RTR TANK NAMES

    Kind regards,
    Tom.
     
  5. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Tom -
    thought I had mentioned it - the book's title is that of "Tank Tracks" - now that I have it out - I'll read it again ..
    Cheers
     
  6. MyOldDad

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  7. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Tom - yes that's the one - that's saved you a tenner

    Cheers
     
  8. Barb20

    Barb20 Member

    Your postings were very interesting as according to my uncle's records he was posted to 9 RTR for 2ARU on 18.2.45. I know nothing more as to his position until 14.6.45 when he was on leave in Brussels for 48 houjrs. Then nothing more until 30.9.45 when he was medically examined and found fit for further services in Med.Cent A1 9 R Tks RAC. All this is very confusing as I am not sure what it means by "Med.Cent A1...". I have read the book you mention and did not find his name. In October 45 he was Struck of Strength 9 R Tks to X 98A list on proceeding for Cl B release!

    Can anyone fill in any gaps for me as all my enquiries and research so far have come up with zilch.

    Where were 9 RTR after 18.2.45?

    Many thanks for any help given
     
  9. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Barb 20
    Just by gleaning some awards in the back of the book pp224 et al - the 9thRTR were with the 34th Tank Bde attached to the 1st Canadian Army- and it looks like they stayed with them until the end

    So perhaps a copy of the War Diaries can give you the facts etc ...

    His medical category at 30/9/45 was that the Medical Centre found him to be A1-and he was SOS 9th Tanks and placed on X8(a) for demob on Class B release - most went out on Class A - to X(T) reserve- the 9 before the 8 might be a typo for brackets ( )

    Cheers
     
  10. Barb20

    Barb20 Member

    Thanks for that info Tom. I am wading through the War Diary as we speak! Your explanation for X98A seems right (yet another typo error on records. What would be the difference between Cl B and Cl A? After this he was TOS RAC Depot UK (which is clear), then RAC Posted Y List (not sure what Y list means). Then relegated to W (T) Reserve UK. Can you explain what this means please?

    Very appreciative of your help.

    Barb
     
  11. KevinT

    KevinT Senior Member

    If there are any tank names or WD census numbers listed in the Diary would you post them please. Of the names listed in an earlier post I have 25 census numbers so any additions would be welcome.

    Cheers
    Kevin
     
  12. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Barb 20
    this is mainly "army speak" but the main thing to watch is that one had to be A1 to serve in Tanks-he MIGHT have had respitory problems which is a big No No in a Tank
    owing to enclosed space with fumes etc - we mostly had lung problems in our old age - such as I am having now - and deafness .....

    the "Y" list is merely a state of unemployment while awaiting posting elsewhere- and the
    W(T) mens that he can leave the services BUT will be available for recall should another conflict occur - such as they tried to haul me back for Korea but my old wounds knocked that on the head as I MIGHT have asked for a pension - I did - but it was a big joke to them ...

    Cheers
     
  13. Barb20

    Barb20 Member

    Thanks once again Tom. You might see me again asking for explanation around "military speak"!

    It is so good to be able to speak to someone who has "been there".

    Barb
     
  14. Barb20

    Barb20 Member

    Can anyone tell me if there is a way of finding out what "troop" a member of 9 RTR 'C' Squadron was with. I have MOD records but can't see that it gives this, unless I am looking in the wrong place.

    Thanks
     
  15. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Service records don't go that far down the unit 'food chain'. One of your best bets would be to look in the regiments war diaries and hope that there is a nominal roll in one of them that goes down that far.

    You are lucky though to identify the Sqn - Its quite hard to find evidence below a regiment or battalion.

    Regards
    Andy
     
  16. KevinT

    KevinT Senior Member

    Can anyone tell me if there is a way of finding out what "troop" a member of 9 RTR 'C' Squadron was with. I have MOD records but can't see that it gives this, unless I am looking in the wrong place.

    Thanks

    Hi Barb,

    C Squadron was made up of Churchill tanks carrying the following names:-

    11 Troop
    IMPASSIVE
    INCISIVE
    INTENSIVE

    12 Troop
    IBN EL KELB
    IBN SAUD
    INFAMOUS

    13 Troop
    IMPENITENT
    IMPERTINENT T31020
    IMPERTINENT T69051 ( a replacement for the above )
    INDEPENDENT T31023 / B
    INFIGHTER

    14 Troop
    INDIFATIGABLE
    INDOMITABLE T251687 / B
    INDOMITABLE T251516 / K ( a replacement for the above or vice versa )

    15 Troop
    ILFORD
    ILKLEY T172477 / B
    IRLAM

    If you have any photos of your uncle with other crew members standing by a Churchill tank showing any of these names, the above may be of some help.

    If I recall, and someone please correct me if I am wrong, early in the war there were 3 squadrons each with 5 troops of 3 tanks but this was later changed to 3 squadrons of 4 troops of 4 tanks. So some of the names / tanks may have moved from one troop to another. But it may be a start.

    Cheers
    Kevin
     
  17. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Barb20
    as Drew says - going that far down the food chain is always difficult however -there is a way to make it easier - that is less than impossible - by finding out what he actually DID in "C" Sqdn
    as kevin points out at around the time he joined 9th RTR -18/20th Feb '45 they were at
    AFFERDEN waiting to start a battle with 52nd Scottish Division - and still an Army Tank
    Battalion of five troops of three Tanks before converting to an Armoured Battalion with
    four troops of four tanks.....

    So "C" sqdn then had five troops of three tanks each which meant that they had FIVE Commanders - FIVE Drivers - FIVE Gunners - FIVE wireless Operators and FIVE Co-Drivers
    so he was one of 25 men X 3....simple really.. and good luck with that one
    Cheers
     
  18. Barb20

    Barb20 Member

    Wow! I am impressed. Thanks for all your responses. Perhaps I will get an answer to the puzzle now that I have those leads. Very much obliged.

    Barb
     
  19. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Just incase you want any of the war diaries, here's whats available at the National Archives:

    WO 166/1409 9 Royal Tank Regiment. 1940 Nov.- 1941 Dec.

    WO 166/6912 9 Royal Tank Regiment. 1942 Jan.- Dec.

    WO 166/11094 9 Royal Tank Regiment 1943 Jan.-Dec.

    WO 171/869 9 Royal Tank Regiment 1944 Jan.- Dec.

    WO 171/4713 9 Royal Tank Regiment 1945 Jan.- Dec.

    Regards
    Andy
     
  20. Barb20

    Barb20 Member

    Thanks for that Andy. Very useful.

    Barb
     

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