8th army soldier- help

Discussion in 'Searching for Someone & Military Genealogy' started by mikereme, Jun 12, 2021.

  1. mikereme

    mikereme Member

    Hello everyone,

    I am looking to identify a friend father who was in WW2.. with the name of Harold Goldsmith (from London - lower Edmonton)... he has the following medals defence medal/39 45 medal- Africa star/Italy star .... would like to know what unit he is in and regtl no etc...

    I thank you in anticipation
     
  2. Temujin

    Temujin Member

    Would he be in these photo’s. First photo I believe he’s on the right,

    Harold (Laddie) Goldsmith
    1929–1987
    BIRTH 13 JUN 1929 • Edmonton, Middlesex,England
    DEATH APR 1987 • Edmonton / Enfield / Middlesex England


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  3. mikereme

    mikereme Member

    Hello, the picture i seen he was wearing a different hat (like dads army type)....i have sent him the pics hopefully this might be him.. what regt is this?
     
  4. Temujin

    Temujin Member

    Actually I don’t know…..hopefully more of the members will take a look and give advice
     
  5. mikereme

    mikereme Member

    Just been told he is the son of the relative i have asked for... but very interesting... it appears that my friends grandad is the one am looking for....the soldier in the picture is his son....any information on both would be greatly appreciated....thank you so much my friend...
     
  6. Temujin

    Temujin Member

    Can we have details so we can search for him? Name, where he lived etc, and WW2 or WW1 or both?
     
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  7. mikereme

    mikereme Member

    Ok apparently... am receiving more info even as we speak....the soldier question....called Harold..(with the medals)..was WW2 this is where the confusion starts....the soldier in picture (Laddie) is the son apparently served in Korea (had shrapnel wound -maybe a medic)...any info on anyone would be great...
     
  8. Temujin

    Temujin Member

    Is this a photo of him…..I think he is the kneeling row, on left……..and if this IS HIM…..it’s hard with my old eyes, but I’m thinking the Hat Badge on their caps is a RASC (Royal Army Service Corps)…..but I could be wrong


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    Here’s a RASC hat badge, so you can compare

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  9. mikereme

    mikereme Member

    That is him this is picture my friend has...but could not make out the capbadge....so he is RASC....do you know what unit within the RASC!!! this is so exciting...
     
  10. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

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  11. mikereme

    mikereme Member

    TD
    Will do....thank you buddy
     
  12. Temujin

    Temujin Member

    Mike, as TD says, get his records first……and to answer your question, NO, you can’t tell which unit by the RASC hat badge in the picture (if that is what it is).

    Also, his other sons (beside Harold Jr.) were also in the army

    Good luck on the rest of your search
     
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  13. mikereme

    mikereme Member

    Cheers buddy.... i think it might be a toss up between RASC & Royal Engineers....but will look at all options..but what you have provided has been truly marvellous....

    Thank you
     
  14. mikereme

    mikereme Member

    where did you get the pic with the native....this is starting open up more questions....
     
  15. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    They will be from sites such as Ancestry and are included within family trees already created

    Harold (Laddie) Goldsmith
    1929–1987
    BIRTH 13 JUN 1929 • Edmonton, Middlesex,England
    DEATH APR 1987 • Edmonton / Enfield / Middlesex England

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    I assume he is centre of back row

    Are you certain that the medals you say you have for him are actually his - I ask as he seems to be born in 1929, you say he has an Africa Star, but the parameters for the award of that medal from the MOD are:
    Medals: campaigns, descriptions and eligibility
    The Africa Star is awarded to personnel who served in North Africa, Malta or Egypt between 10 June 1940 and 12 May 1943.

    So by the end of the entitlement period in May 1943 he would have only been 14 years old - just a thought

    Also the Italy Star parameters are:
    The Italy Star is awarded for operational service in Sicily or Italy between 11 July 1943 and 8 May 1945. Those who served in Yugoslavia, Greece, Corsica or Sardinia between certain other specified dates will also qualify.

    Which if my maths are roughly correct ending in May 1945 he would be about 16 years old


    TD


    Seems you may need to return to your friend and find out the details of one or both of the people he is looking to find information on - it doesnt change the details about obtaining service records
     
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  16. mikereme

    mikereme Member

    TD.....

    Yes this my thoughts the more it is developing....my friend seems to agree as Harold might have served in Korea (this would make him old enough).... but his dad also served and maybe the one with the medals highlighted.....

    The box of medals that came in was addressed to Harold....If i was a betting man Harold may have asked for his fathers medals and addressed to him

    He also had other relatives that served and will look for potential research...

    Thank you so much buddy....anything else you can advise/produce would be most welcome....

    Mike
     
  17. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    I requested my fathers medals but they came addressed to him not to me.

    Do you have the details of the father? - as mentioned though you can apply for both sets of records

    TD
     
  18. mikereme

    mikereme Member

    TD...

    will speak to him later....dont know why they went to him not his father....unless there was two Harold's in the family
     
  19. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    As you may have found out there is very little personal information in the public domain, so tracing soldiers without their official service records (see post #10) is difficult, not to say dangerous.

    I think that you and your friend should step back and create a list of known facts about who you are looking for - full names, parents, spouses, dates, locations, etc. You will need a proper dob and a death certificate for his records.

    In your opening post you are looking for your friend's father but in post #5 you say it is his grandfather so it is a little confusing. 8th Army (presumably from Africa Star clasp), RASC, Royal Engineers? I think it is just guesswork at present.
     
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  20. mikereme

    mikereme Member

    Thank you for our input...
     

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