Ron Goldstein might remember seeing these. Decided to reline Dads army box which I store his kilt etc in, found these under the old brown paper lining. Issue No 24 of the Tripoli Times dated Tuesday 23 February 1943, price 2 lire. A single sheet paper, English on the front, Italian on the back. Also Issue No 47: Vol 2 of Eighth Army News, Sicily. A four page newspaper all in English dated Friday, 10 September 1943. They are a bit delicate and now have to find the best way to preserve them.
Hi 51st Highland Ron Goldstein might remember seeing these Spot on ! ..... certainly the 8th Army News, so many thanks for posting them on this site. Regards Ron
Richard Could you give a closer scan of the Russian Front story, I'd like to see how the German atrocities were reported in the British press. Cheers.
Cheers Richard, So when we hear apologists saying "We didn't know it was going on" then we know that's utter rubbish as if the British 8th Army knew about them then I'm sure the general German population must have too? Ron, did reading stories like that have any effect on British troops? PS can we have a close up of the beach belles too?
Thanks for posting the newspapers, 51. When we were cleaining out my wife's grandparents house following their deaths, I found WWII era newpapers in the trash where her mom and aunt had put them. Needless to say, I fished them out, along with mementos from her grandfather's time in the army, including the telegram he sent saying that he was coming home. I was astounded that they were throwing them away.
Owen Ron, did reading stories like that have any effect on British troops? Speaking purely for myself, I think not I would guess that like most men of my age group living in a war zone my innermost emotions were governed by my immediate surroundings. Had the water truck turned up that morning?, was I tired, cold or hungry, was I being bombed, shelled or mortared, had any mail arrived for a week, all of these factors would have been taken prior place in my list of "things I need to worry over". Sorry to sound a little cynical but I believe I am being honest and I did say "speaking purely for myself" Ron
Here's a picture of 8th Army News being distributed (Oh, there's a Norton in the picture !) British Pathé has a news item on their archive (with sound) of it being typeset and printed. Wonderful stuff. It's a bit of an awkward site where you have to register to download but this link should help. The piece is entitled "News in the Desert" but the whole site can keep me amused for hours. British Pathe Limited
Owen Speaking purely for myself, I think not I would guess that like most men of my age group living in a war zone my innermost emotions were governed by my immediate surroundings. Had the water truck turned up that morning?, was I tired, cold or hungry, was I being bombed, shelled or mortared, had any mail arrived for a week, all of these factors would have been taken prior place in my list of "things I need to worry over". Sorry to sound a little cynical but I believe I am being honest and I did say "speaking purely for myself" Ron Actually Ron, I thought that'd be your reply. I just wondered if ever the Brass trying to stir up some "hate" with such stories.
Sir,. I'm a recent member and wondered about two things I have come across. I have read that in Germany, Field Marshal Rommel is not thought of in anything approaching the same regard as in Britain and America. That in Germany the North African campaign does not have the same significance as other fronts. Also that in Britain, Field Marshal Montgomey's reputation has declined. Is this "popular" opinion or the view of indigenous military historians? Equally, has Sir Winston Churchill's decision making also come under more intense criticism? In the states it is only recently that we are finally reading more honest and critical histories, ie: Carlo D'este and others. respectfully, General Mayhem
Sir,. I'm a recent member and wondered about two things I have come across. I have read that in Germany, Field Marshal Rommel is not thought of in anything approaching the same regard as in Britain and America. That in Germany the North African campaign does not have the same significance as other fronts. Also that in Britain, Field Marshal Montgomey's reputation has declined. Is this "popular" opinion or the view of indigenous military historians? Equally, has Sir Winston Churchill's decision making also come under more intense criticism? In the states it is only recently that we are finally reading more honest and critical histories, ie: Carlo D'este and others. respectfully, General Mayhem Dear General Mayhem With equal respect, may I make offer an opinion ? I see you say "I have read that in Germany, Field Marshal Rommel is not thought of in anything approaching the same regard as in Britain and America" I find this not all surprising....... after all, "Monty" was responsible for eventually seeing off the Afrika Corps and this would never have endeared him to a German audience. As for his reputation declining, as someone who actually served under Monty's command and who was equally proud to have had Churchill as his Colonel BBC - WW2 People's War - Churchill and Ron enjoy a meal together I must confess that I personally wince whenever I see the mind boggling events of WW2 pawed over by some in an attempt to re-value and discredit the leading participants. To repeat my posting title "Any one can be clever after the event !" Having said that, may I welcome you to the forum and hope that you will enjoy your stay Regards Ron
reading owens post there,about the 8th army knowing of attrocities by germans.i agree that if british,commonwealth troops knew the germans knew,everybody in germany must have known,and we still see and hear germans telling us that they did not know.bloody hypocrits,all of them.4th wilts.
Cheers Richard, So when we hear apologists saying "We didn't know it was going on" then we know that's utter rubbish as if the British 8th Army knew about them then I'm sure the general German population must have too? Ron, did reading stories like that have any effect on British troops? PS can we have a close up of the beach belles too? Here's a leaflet Britain dropped over Germany in 1942: Aerial Propaganda Database by Lee Richards (Warning - it's quite graphic) But guess Germans would just dismiss this as enemy propaganda.
Incidentally, the printing team responsible for Eighth Army News, Tripoli Times, Crusader, Union Jack, as well as British propaganda leaflets dropped on German and Italian troops in North Africa and the Italian campaign, was headed by Major Edward Budd MBE. He then followed Monty to 21st Army Group. He wrote an autobiography of his war experiences called "A Printer Goes to War" ISBN: 0 7030 0067 5, Howard Baker Press, 1975.
